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Should PerlMonks have official courses?

by tilly (Archbishop)
on Apr 30, 2001 at 02:11 UTC ( #76516=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

This is an attempt to brainstorm a good answer to Summing up recent ideas into a concept: Code vs. Prose.

This idea is that PerlMonks could have online courses. Either by itself or in partnership with someone who does online courses, PerlMonks would organize classes, with qualified teachers, and registered students. The students would pay full fees like they would for any other course. The teacher would be paid out of those fees, again like any other course.

The lectures would take the form of a series of posts to PerlMonks. Homework exercises would probably also be online. People would be free to study these at their leisure.

However if you registered, you would be able to get help on the material, you could complete homework, get it graded and returned with comments, and at the end you would be able to take a test and have some official recognition that you had covered that material.

Details would definitely need to be worked out. (I am not even very sure whether or not it would work.) However it could be one way to build up useful learning material that is a little (OK, a lot) different than the usual discussion on the site.


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Re: Should PerlMonks have official courses?
by AgentM (Curate) on Apr 30, 2001 at 04:10 UTC
    Hmmm...turning perlmonks into an e-commerce site beyond the Offering Plate is iffy in my mind. I'm wondering if that's not best suited for some other site.

    I'd much rather see a group gathering, live chat, teaching area which is for free. No signing up required- just stop by on Saturday at 4:00pm EST and....

    For example, I feel that I have a firm grasp on Perl Curses. If someone doesn't have a specific question, but would rather "just learn to use Curses", I'd offer to go through some simple excercises and examples with explanations. Currently, folks like that are turned away with harsh RTFMs and such which put on the map of anti-newbie as suggested in a previous Meditation. So, I would announce that I would offer a Curses Colloquium at such-and-such a time- stop by if you'd like! This area might contain a live chat area where the lecturer has precedence and can filter content. This is so interesting, I just might do this on my own server. Thanks for the thinkjuice, tilly!

    AgentM Systems nor Nasca Enterprises nor Bone::Easy nor Macperl is responsible for the comments made by AgentM. Remember, you can build any logical system with NOR.
      There are companies doing this kind of online tutoring (such as Perhaps PerlMonks could go on a partnership with them...

      Anyway, AgentM's suggestion is quite appealing. Most of us have at least one area that could use some more study or a nice little course...
Re: Should PerlMonks have official courses?
by rchiav (Deacon) on Apr 30, 2001 at 06:21 UTC
    I really think that this would have to be a major undertaking. You can't implement something like this half-heartidly. And in doing what it would take to do this right (IMO), PM would become this. It wouldn't be a part of PerlMonks, it would be PerlMonks.

    Now wether or not that's what people want, I can't answer. But PerlMonks woulnd't be the same anymore.. and I belive that what it would gain in material would be lost in atmosphere.

    Now something like what AgentM mentioned would fit better into what PerlMonks is now. Free chat type classes or anything like that.

    For what it's worth..

(jptxs)Re: Should PerlMonks have official courses?
by jptxs (Curate) on Apr 30, 2001 at 03:59 UTC
    this would be great...right on target, too. It makes sure that the teacher is willing (I'm assuming we'll not be lining them up at gunpoint =), and it gets those who _really_ want it (read: those willing to pony up the dough) the info they want so much. I think the outcry made was from someone like myself who has discovered this "computer gig" later in life and does not have the chance for formal schooling. Sure there are books, but that's not enough for some. Everyone learns differently. Sure there are other courses, but how many times are they useless? I'd be much happier to gamble on teachers I know than ones I don't.
    "A man's maturity -- consists in having found again the seriousness one had as a child, at play." --Nietzsche
Re: Should PerlMonks have official courses?
by little (Curate) on Apr 30, 2001 at 03:36 UTC
    nope, that should be left to "$" ;-)
    as I stated before.

    Have a nice day
    All decision is left to your taste

    As per request by tilly I'll make it clearer:
    The above suggested is fine for
    But it does not fit into
      I use - it's really great! Should we suggest it to the guys at :p

      $ perldoc perldoc
Re: Should PerlMonks have official courses?
by frag (Hermit) on May 01, 2001 at 03:23 UTC

    Like some of the other replies, I like the idea, but I think it doesn't fit Perlmonks. I think the problem is that it doesn't fit the metaphor of a monastery, which is about contemplation, discussion, "enlightenment"; formal courses with testing and fees don't, imho, fit that very comfortably. Perlmonks doesn't have to hew to that, but that's part of the appeal of Perlmonks. However, there's no reason why there can't be another Perl learning community, with a different set of equally valid goals.

    So I would like to suggest that if you want to go through with this, Perlmonks may be the wrong place for it. You should create with a new community with a new metaphor -- one that supplements but doesn't supplant Perlmonks.

    And I've got just the thing. Monks and Nuns, I give you...

    The Perl Scouts.

    1. Earn merit objects (Merit::Tie::Knots, Merit::Module::Craft, Merit::Net::Fishing) from your denmaster/abbot as /s?he/ leads you on code camping expeditions to remote wilderness areas of CPAN.
    2. Earn enough merit objects, and you become a Camel Scout.
    3. Raise money by selling boxes of CGI::Cookies.
    4. Parents will beam with pride when their children recite the Perl Scout's Credo: A Perl Scout is Lazy, Impatient, and Hubristic...

    The possibilities are endless. Imagine after-school Perl Monger meetings in high schools (although s/\bbeer\b/root beer/i).

    -- Frag.

Re: Should PerlMonks have official courses?
by TGI (Parson) on May 01, 2001 at 01:49 UTC

    I'm affraid that if PerlMonks started providing pay courses, monks that make a living by offering training would be inclined not to contribute anymore.

    PerlMonks would be the competition rather than a community.

    I, for one would not want to loose their valuable contributions to this community.

    TGI says moo

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