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(Guildenstern) Rex4: use base qw(Base) (was: Method calling question...)

by Guildenstern (Deacon)
on May 01, 2001 at 18:26 UTC ( #76967=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: (Guildenstern) Re: Re: use base qw(Base) (was: Method calling question...)
in thread Method calling question...

It's not completely parallel, but there are similarities. A lot of my opinion of Bush was formed by the way he handled himself and the way he spoke. Listening to his butchering of the English language did not make me confident in his ability to perform other tasks. I get a similar response sometimes when reading your replies. I get the impression that you're not really a person I would like to meet in real life because of the persona you present. One gets the mental picture of you being a very haughty person who doles out information when absolutely neccesary, and then it's always with the inflection of "why am I bothering with you?" Granted, I'm sure you're not like this, but this is the impression I've gotten from your participation on this site. Every now and then you will provide a sharp answer dulled by some humor, or give a bit more information than the bare minumum. These posts I gladly ++. You must remember that for the majority of the people on PM, this is the only contact with you they will ever get. There's been a heated discussion on a mailing list that I subscribe to about how one needs to conduct oneself in a virtual environment, because (perceived) character traits tend to get over amplified.

All I'm saying is that it's very easy to come across the wrong way in a setting like PM, and you have a tendency to sound demeaning and are very terse. Plus, you can't go through life expecting everyone to like you. I will admit that you're not exactly my idol, but I do refrain from downvoting your notes simply because they're written by you.

Guildenstern
Negaterd character class uber alles!
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But I'm not like that at all!
by merlyn (Sage) on May 01, 2001 at 18:34 UTC
    One gets the mental picture of you being a very haughty person who doles out information when absolutely neccesary, and then it's always with the inflection of "why am I bothering with you?" Granted, I'm sure you're not like this, but this is the impression I've gotten from your participation on this site.
    That's really not like I am in person. The people here who've met me in person will certainly tell you that.

    I find it curious that you've gotten that impression, and wonder what it is about the medium or the mechanism that so alters how I come across so that you'd conclude that.

    This is truly a quest for me. I'm looking at how online communities interact as part of a research project I'm on. That's probably why this personality voting thing has really got my goat, because it seems to be a flaw in an otherwise very useful system.

    -- Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker

      I can also attest to the fact that merlyn is not a haughty person. We've hung out before, with several other perlmonks, and he was pretty easy-going. That being said, when he did talk about other programmers and some of his students, I perceived a great frustration level with people who simply refuse to (or can't) pay attention.

      I've personally noticed that I am getting a bit more sarcastic in some of my posts. Usually, this occurs when someone says something like "why won't my script works? It only prints 5." Then, they expect some sort of answer. I try not to be too terribly rude, but sometimes, the idiocy of some questions gets to me. I'm also getting a bit tired of "how do I tell if two variables are the same" type questions. I usually try to be helpful and answer things like that, but I can see how someone can program in a language for many, many years and get tired of basic questions being asked repeatedly.

      That being said, I've also asked some pretty basic questions, so I try to be helpful. I know what it's like to be a newbie -- especially since I'm really not that far beyond it.

      Here's my a way I've thought of explaining it:

      Imagine that you're a math tutor. Students keep coming to you and asking they keep getting an average of 8 for the numbers 5, 7, and 13. In checking their work you discover they added wrong and you suggest they double-check their numbers. You don't give them an answer, you simply point them to an answer. After a while, you're going to get pretty tired of seeing these students adding wrong and some of the students are going to be pretty tired of you just not giving a direct answer.

      Cheers,
      Ovid

      Update: One more thought: I've met a few monks who have been rather surprised to discover than my online persona and my real-life behavior are not necessarily synonymous. In real life, as online, I tend to be polite (and wordy), but if you get me riled up, I have a tongue that can clip a hedge.

      Join the Perlmonks Setiathome Group or just click on the the link and check out our stats.

      That's really not like I am in person. The people here who've met me in person will certainly tell you that.

      I can attest to that. I have hung out with Randal in conference settings, business settings and personal settings. Randal is a cool guy, fun to hang out with, good to have conversation with, and fun watching him charge a single piece of pie!

      I think your impression of his is incorrect. He truely does like to help people and help people become better Perl programmers. Unfortunately, tone of voice, intentions, etc... don't come across in a textual world. But, I can attest that the following statement is not a true reflection of Randal (at least from my experiences with him over the last few years):

      One gets the mental picture of you being a very haughty person who doles out information when absolutely neccesary, and then it's always with the inflection of "why am I bothering with you?"

      Cheers,
      KM

        Did I tell you about the time that I charged a 39-cent Big Gulp at a 7-11? (Some years ago, obviously.)

        And the guy hadn't ever done it, so he pulls out the old credit card imprint machine, and nearly puts a "REFUND" slip in the machine instead of a normal slip! I would have been paid 39 cents on my card to drink the gulp!

        Of course I stopped him. But I think that sets the record for minimum charge on any of my cards.

        -- Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker

        I did say that I was sure merlyn was not like that in real life. What I was saying is that consideration needs to be taken when writing to help ensure that what is written in the "textual world" doesn't come across wrong. Quite often it seems like merlyn would benefit from putting himself in the questioner's shoes. An answer to an experienced Perl programmer can be more terse, but a newbie would benefit far more from a detailed explanation.

        Guildenstern
        Negaterd character class uber alles!

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