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(dws)Re: Re (tilly) 1: Why I hate Perl (discussion)

by dws (Chancellor)
on May 17, 2001 at 09:32 UTC ( #81170=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re (tilly) 1: Why I hate Perl (discussion)
in thread Why I hate Perl (discussion)

What you've described is a people problem, not a technical one. For whatever set of reasons, the organization has descended into being a "blaming" culture. The technical aspects are just symptoms. Exchange Perl for Java, and it'd be "same song, second verse".

If it's easier for people to stand around and point fingers at each other than it is for them to work together, look towards what's incenting (and what's not punishing) that behavior. Chances are good that a substantial part of the cause is higher up the organizational food chain than you've been looking at (or can see). There may be a protracted executive turf war going on. People aren't incented to work together because that might mean less blame for one exec to heap upon another. People aren't punished for pointing fingers because that's exactly what the execs are doing. If it's been going on, unresolved, for quite a while, most of the good developers will have moved on, and you might consider doing the same.

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Re: (dws) 2: Why I hate Perl (discussion)
by deprecated (Priest) on May 17, 2001 at 14:11 UTC
      What you've described is a people problem, not a technical one. For whatever set of reasons, the organization has descended into being a "blaming" culture. The technical aspects are just symptoms. Exchange Perl for Java, and it'd be "same song, second verse".

    Yes. The wit of the root node of this thread comes from the fact that it is clear that it isnt an anti-perl thread when you read it and step back for a moment to see what I was saying. We have a hard time understanding why people dont like perl (because its so damn cool). However, I am in a unique position to shed light on at least one situation. Imagine in the future, this particular admin moves on, and to a new company. Imagine they do their development in perl. For some reason he resents upgrading and adding modules. He resents giving them shells. Imagine a monk works at that site, comes here and complains about how unfair that is.

    This is why. This thread. I called it like it is, and a lot of people missed the idea.

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