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Re^3: Special place for RTFM posts

by SilasTheMonk (Chaplain)
on Dec 22, 2009 at 12:42 UTC ( #813869=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^2: Special place for RTFM posts
in thread Special place for RTFM posts

Erez,

Yeah I had not really thought my idea through. And thanks for taking the time to write up the history of this in coherent English.

However I don't believe the hardman bouncer approach has much going for it. There are several more modern languages than perl (such as PHP, Ruby, Python etc). If that attitude is allowed to prevail than surely new people will not find perl a welcoming place and will be driven to those other languages and then perl will surely die.

I have an alternative idea. On the SoPW post entry from one could add a separate mandatory textbox, to describe what one has done to solve the problem. This might do a lot to weed out time wasting questions.

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Re^4: Special place for RTFM posts
by jdporter (Canon) on Dec 22, 2009 at 15:34 UTC
    On the SoPW post entry from one could add a separate mandatory textbox, to describe what one has done to solve the problem.

    That is what the main box is for!

      I am sure that most people logging onto perlmonks.org for the first time are under the impression that the main box is where you put your question. So what I am looking for is some way of increasing the cost of posting a silly question. I can see the XP loss ultimately does offer that, but this is analogous to the way bridges that suffer from a lot suicides often require a one penny fee to cross the bridge. It makes the potential suicide stop and think before they cross. Saying XP loss ought to be enough to deter them is a bit like saying that "life experience loss" ought to be enough to dissuade suicides. And the analogy is closer if the XP loss drives the potential user away permanently. I think it would be much better to force the user somehow to ask himself, have I done everything I can to answer this question myself. It could be for example a drop-down box listing say my documentation, man pages, book, google etc. Then if the user fails to select one of these rather than fully submitting he gets a message suggest he try those first. Such a drop down box forces a higher transactional cost to asking a silly question, but is less flexible than a text box.
        ...the main box is where you put your question.

        Really? Just the question? In that case, I guess we need a separate box for the OP's perl code, and a separate box for where the OP discusses the background of her problem, etc.

        I'm not saying that we shouldn't perhaps do something more to encourage SoPW posters to think more about their problem, or maybe even do more work before posting. But adding a separate input textarea is not the solution. And in any case, I really don't see this happening because it would entail a radical change to the site infrastructure (to wit, the addition of a field to a database table).

        What is the sound of Windows? Is it not the sound of a wall upon which people have smashed their heads... all the way through?
Re^4: Special place for RTFM posts
by JadeNB (Chaplain) on Dec 22, 2009 at 17:46 UTC
    several more modern languages than perl (such as PHP, Ruby, Python etc)
    What? If ‘modern’ means “released later”, then, sure, Ruby qualifies; but that seems to be the only yardstick by which such a statement can be made without qualification.

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