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Re^4: Not Safe For Work threads

by Argel (Prior)
on Jan 06, 2010 at 00:31 UTC ( #815855=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^3: Not Safe For Work threads
in thread Not Safe For Work threads [NSFW]

As far as hostile work environments go, "play it safe" and "when in doubt don't do/say it" are good guidelines (especially in large corporate environments). It's not hard to apply that here -- if you're not sure, then mark it NSFW.

PerlMonks is normally considered a safe for work site, which is precisely why it is important to mark the aberrations as NSFW. In that sense you have the responsibility thing backwards. If this type of thing was common then you would have a point, but the reality is that the NSFW content goes against the nature and spirit of this site. Update: Though it really comes down to Monks being considerate of other Monks, something sorely lacking in this thread.

Religion is a red herring because the religious motif of the site would present problems. But if that wasn't there, then I would not be opposed to marking them NSFW or suggest (for the one millionth time) that an Off-Topic section be created that people could avoid. It's really simple -- this is a site about Perl, so off-topic stuff like that doesn't really have a place on here.

But then all you are doing are taking extreme examples and using that as an excuse to justify the NSFW items and the juvenile and unprofessional behavior that has taken place in the thread I linked to and this thread. Maybe you should re-read that other thread and look at e.g. ikegami's post for an example of a professional, considerate answer.

There is a difference between random trolling/spam, where downvotes + reaping will likely take care of it. I'm not sure if I would rush to mark a thread like that as NSFW. But then there are threads like this one where the juvenile, unprofessional behavior is by other Monks and will likely not be reaped. In that context, I think it's appropriate to go ahead and mark the thread as NSFW (like I did for my OP). Again, this is a site about Perl, so why not err on the side of caution?? All it does is serve as a warning to others -- it doesn't prevent them from looking at it if they want to. And there is no harm in trying to be considerate of others.

Regarding gender, both of these threads have certainly had the stereotypical male locker-room feel to them which is why I did mention it. I cannot help but wonder what kind of responses we would have seen if e.g. ELISHEVA had asked the question or have been the first one to post a reply.

Elda Taluta; Sarks Sark; Ark Arks

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Re^5: Not Safe For Work threads
by JavaFan (Canon) on Jan 06, 2010 at 02:22 UTC
    PerlMonks is normally considered a safe for work site, which is precisely why it is important to mark the aberrations as NSFW.
    That's not something I disagree with. But I refuse to call the words "spread eagle" to be an aberration.
    that an Off-Topic section be created that people could avoid.
    Suppose there was one. How's that supposed to work in the case being discussed? Someone asks a Perl question. Someone else replies spread eagle. You cannot post a followup in a different section than the post that starts a thread - so the OP should have posted his question in the "off-topic" section. But how is he supposed to know?
    But then all you are doing are taking extreme examples
    You call me extreme? You're the one that comes with a female HR representative taking offense (probably after doing some shoulder surfing -- how else is she to know?) of an employee reading the words "spread eagle". It's not about an employee writing it - no, it's just about an employee reading a web page. I call that an extreme example.
    Again, this is a site about Perl, so why not err on the side of caution??
    The boy who called wolf. If people mark totally innocent words as NSFW, people will think that NSFW isn't something unappropriate. And then the click on a topic marked NSFW which does contains something that really is not safe for work. Hollowing out the meaning of warnings is dangerous.
    And there is no harm in trying to be considerate of others.
    True, but I've different opinions on what's NSFW than you have. So, to come back to my question, who's going to decide what is NSFW and what is SFW?
Re^5: Not Safe For Work threads
by Anonymous Monk on Jan 06, 2010 at 00:44 UTC
    Again, this is a site about Perl, so why not err on the side of caution??

    Same reason we don't all walk around with giant condoms on our heads, putting NSFW is about as useful as putting OT, it does nothing

Re^5: Not Safe For Work threads
by Jenda (Abbot) on Jan 08, 2010 at 15:11 UTC

    A company what's so uppity that it cares about this kind of things, is not worth working for. OTOH, there should be a list of such companies somewhere to help sane people stay as far away from them as they possibly can.

    Unprofessional behaviour ... codswallop! Do get life mister Proper!

    Jenda
    Enoch was right!
    Enjoy the last years of Rome.

      A company what's so uppity that it cares about this kind of things, is not worth working for. OTOH, there should be a list of such companies somewhere to help sane people stay as far away from them as they possibly can.
      Considering the state of the world economy that's a pretty silly comment to make, especially for anyone with a family to take care of. Or anyone unemployed right now. There are still people who think we may have a "V" recovery but in all recent recessions unemployment has been a severely lagging indicator. Here in the US even if we created 300,000 new jobs a month it would take over 5 years to make up the number lost in the past year or so. And right now the MSM is celebrating that the number lost was less than expected this past month, meaning that more jobs are still being lost than created. Things will likely be worse than Japan's Lost Decade. And so for the majority of people it is an employers' market.

      Elda Taluta; Sarks Sark; Ark Arks

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