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Re^3: A wholly inadequate reply to an Anonymous Monk

by moritz (Cardinal)
on Apr 23, 2010 at 08:49 UTC ( #836468=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

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Only this time we could break backwards compatibility to fix some of the hairier bits.


Had this been done we might have gotten something in 2-4 years that was production ready (ran all of CPAN)

Who else spots the logic error in here?

Perl 6 - links to (nearly) everything that is Perl 6.
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Re^4: A wholly inadequate reply to an Anonymous Monk
by bart (Canon) on Apr 23, 2010 at 09:45 UTC
    Who else spots the logic error in here?
    With an approach like use 5.10.0; and use feature, there's no logic error. You can both have Perl 5 compatibility and cleaner behaviour for new scripts.
      Yes, and you don't break backwards compatiblity. Which is what AnonMonk was talking about.

      If you use a menchanism like use $version or use feature there's no need to call it a major new version of perl. We already have these incremental language modifications in perl 5, which AnonMonk wished that Perl 6 would bring them.

      That said, perl 5.10 still breaks backwards compatibility in several ways (introducing new operators, changed scoping of regex modifiers), even though it was "only" a bump in the minor version number. Even if it were possible in theory to avoid that, it would be a huge maintenance burden to ship two regex engines with different scoping rules, which are then swapped depending on the presence of a pragma.

Re^4: A wholly inadequate reply to an Anonymous Monk
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 23, 2010 at 08:53 UTC
    Will Perl 6 be compatible with existing CPAN modules, I mean CPAN modules for Perl 5?

      I think Worthington++ started some strangely named project this autumn to link Perl 5 into Parrot, as an "equal" language. So evals and function/method calls should be doable, then. (Failed to google it right now.)

      Edit: Thx, Audrey++

      See S01 for the answer.
        S01 says "we sure wish so".

        As for it actually happening..

        Perl 6 has drastically different calling conventions than Perl 5, and even now has characters in its standard library functions that are prohibited in Perl 5 ("-"). The only way I see them inter-operating is through some hairy foreign function interface. Let's take this example from S01:

        use v6; # ...some Perl 6 code... { use v5; # ...some Perl 5 code... { use v6; # ...more Perl 6 code... } }
        How would this work with some real code dropped in:
        use v6; multi sub foo-bar(Str $a, Str $b) { "str/str" } multi sub foo-bar(Str $a, Int $b) { "str/int" } multi sub foo-bar(Str $a, Num $b) { "str/num" } multi sub foo-bar(Str $a, Array $b) { "str/num" } { use v5; # oh shit, what now? do I: foo-bar("1", "2"); # syntax error call_perl6_func("foo-bar", "1", "2"); # calls, but breaks sinc +e Perl5 has no types # Maybe this instead: call_perl6_func("foo-bar", Perl6cast("Str", "1"), Perl6cast("S +tr", "2"); { use v6; # now how do I call perl 5? } }
        That's just the simple case of calling a subroutine. How about the totally incompatible object systems?

        Does someone have a plan for getting this working?

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