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Re^2: Putting Perl Back on Top in the Fields of Scientific and Financial Computing

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on Mar 09, 2011 at 14:03 UTC ( #892194=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


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Also, the book Modern Perl, if everybody agrees
Muhahahaha. *Everyone agrees*? This is the Perl community. Even the relative small number of people on p5p (the people that usually do the actual work on the documentation) cannot agree on anything.

Perl is something that was an improvisation and it's starting to get more organized.
Perl organized?
But nobody knows that it's organized because they don't have the time to read all the blogs in the Perl "ecosystem" and go on IRC and ask a ton of questions on various channels.
Ah, it's organized because it has too many blogs and channels for a sane person to follow!

I would say that Perl isn't organized. Larry Wall != p5p != TPF != YEF != OSCON != ... "Modern Perl" is just someones view of how one can program. A view that has some followers. A view that also many people disagree with.

Perl is all about "there's more than one way of doing it". And that's not limited to having more than one way of programming a basic thing. It extends to the entire "cloud" around it.

So if they include the "Modern Perl" modules and docs in the documentation that comes with every Perl distro then maybe the situation will change.
Unlikely. If only that most people don't even read the documentation.
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Re^3: Putting Perl Back on Top in the Fields of Scientific and Financial Computing
by spx2 (Deacon) on Mar 09, 2011 at 17:26 UTC
    <quote>Unlikely. If only that most people don't even read the documentation. </quote>

    that's because the documentation is bulky sometimes and for a beginner it's hard to quickly find what they're looking for, IOW the documentation is a reference.

    I would say, put that famous book in the docs and see what happens. I would expect a positive outcome. Am I right chromatic ?

      I would say, put that famous book in the docs and see what happens. I would expect a positive outcome. Am I right chromatic ?

      The core documentation has enough problems without another 70,000 words added to it.

      I wrote the book and deliberately skipped some features, argued against using others, and ignored the entire default OO system in favor of Moose (before explaining the default object system as something you might have to maintain). It's one way to learn to write Perl 5 effectively. I hope it's useful for people, but it's certainly not the only way.

      (Also I'd hate to have to debate stylistic choices on p5p before updating it for a new version.)

        How about writing another free book on Extending and hacking perl to encourage more people to work on Perl ecosystem itself. I know there is core hackers project but that there just as portal for some links. We need a good book which goes into details of all that stuff.
      that's because the documentation is bulky sometimes
      Nah. What I mean is, people don't read documentation. Period. Not of their VCR, and not about software either. Many wouldn't even know how easy or hard it is to use the Perl documentation because they never tried.

      Besides, if the problem is bulky documentation, adding an entire book isn't reducing that problem.

      I would say, put that famous book in the docs and see what happens.
      I'd say, submit a patch for that to p5p and see what happens.
      Am I right chromatic
      Chromatic doesn't seem the most objective person to ask about it.
        Chromatic doesn't seem the most objective person to ask about it.

        Nobody's objective. So what?


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