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Re^4: Why PM needs web stats

by patcat88 (Deacon)
on Jul 12, 2012 at 04:50 UTC ( #981299=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re^3: Why PM needs web stats
in thread Why PM needs web stats


I block GA for privacy and to a lesser extent bloat reasons. No need add GA to PM. PM is nearly or JS free currently, and I love that. The 1999 design of PM is fine. Very low amounts of CSS (compare PM in No Style vs Basic Page Style in FF), no JQuery crap. Fast on a P3 CPU. PM right now is how all websites should be. PCs and the Internet are a tool, if you want art, goto a gallery. Most web developers today and execs want the web to be a piece of art to hang on the wall or show in a powerpoint at the board meeting. Speed and usability come last today.

IMHO if the website wont work on W3M/Links, its artsy garbage.

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Re^5: Why PM needs web stats
by DrHyde (Prior) on Jul 12, 2012 at 10:27 UTC

    If you block google analytics, then why do you care about it being added? It's pervasive on the whole of the rest of the interweb, so anyone who does care and doesn't block it is *already* being tracked just about everywhere and so adding it here would be completely insignificant. And adding google analytics doesn't stop a site from working in w3m or links (or even lynx).

    IMHO if the website wont work on W3M/Links, its artsy garbage.
    So is artsy garbage is it? Well, that certainly shows us how much your opinions about web site design are worth!
      PM has had a philosophy of avoiding cookies, javascript, etc. and I do not see how GA fits into that. Would it really be that hard to track some of this info ourselves? Does E2 already have something in place that we are just not using? What about our hosting service? Do they provide any tools or reports?

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        GA was just one of two proposed options the other being using an open source tool on the server like piwik or AWStats or even something else. I have no answers for your other questions.

        It has no such policy. The proof? The 'userpass' cookie on this 'ere machine.

        A sensible policy is to avoid making javascript and cookies etc a *requirement* unless they are absolutely necessary. Those oddballs who have a browser that doesn't do Javascript, or who choose not to run it, won't lose out. And the paranoiacs who don't accept cookies can still look at the site without logging in.

        You look at the source to see if a web page is "artsy"? That's certainly a novel approach.

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