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Re^3: swissprot assignment (worth)

by tye (Sage)
on Sep 26, 2012 at 17:58 UTC ( #995842=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re^2: swissprot assignment
in thread swissprot assignment

Is this thread really worth keeping

That's the wrong question. A thread doesn't need to justify its worth in being kept. We should not remove a node merely because a few people fail to see any significant value in it. Not only is that just putting the onus on the wrong side of the equation for philosophical reasons, it also just leads to bad decision making. When that has happened in the past, there usually appear several people who saw the value and the node got restored.

Somebody has to justify the (at least somewhat compelling) reason for its removal.

Which is why considering a node with the reason of just "reap" is against documented practices for the use of "consideration".

- tye        

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Re^4: swissprot assignment (worth)
by Argel (Prior) on Sep 26, 2012 at 20:16 UTC
    Normally I would agree with you, but for edge cases like this I find it far more interesting (and valid) to let the thread stand or fall on its merits or lack thereof.

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      I guess you haven't read or don't remember or just don't agree with the justifications I've given around consideration.

      I find it misguided to put little effort into the evaluation of whether a node should be reaped or not and then providing the careful justification while expecting that the people who vote on the consideration will be the ones who put the effort into careful evaluation.

      When presented with a consideration to vote on, it is my experience that the person voting is likely to put less effort into analysis.

      Take the root of this very thread. As I wrote my prior reply, I voted "keep" on the root node and found that everybody to that point had voted "reap", as instructed to do by your "consideration" (that lacked any justification). It was more than half way to being reaped.

      Looking just now, twice as many have since voted, 100% of which were for "keep".

      So, the number of people who managed to consider your proposal and decide to go against it was exactly one: me. The number of people who considered my reply and decided to go against it: zero.

      The responsibility to make a determination that action is required must fall upon the person proposing the action.

      but for edge cases like this

      If you consider it an edge case, then you don't feel strongly that it should be reaped, therefore you should not have requested that it be reaped. If nobody finds it clear that it really should be reaped, then it shouldn't be reaped.

      If you request that it be reaped, then (experience shows that) it will usually not be hard to find 5 people who will manage to go along with your request. And experience confirms that for this thread. That nearly happened here. This despite there being several people who feel that the thread should not be reaped, and (now) twice as many voting "keep" as "reap".

      No trial balloons! Only consider a node if you feel strongly that your proposed action needs to be done.

      - tye        

        The node itself is visible on the Nodes to Consider page so I'm not seeing a huge issue here. And just because I consider it to be an edge case for The Monastery does not mean it is an edge case for me. There is still nothing compelling about the OP (heck, technically, it does not even even mention Perl), beyond some of the discussion it has sparked. Anyway, it's 6-4 (Keep-Reap) (and yes, I am one of the Reap votes) last I checked, so sounds like it is safe. Ye of little faith!! :)

        Elda Taluta; Sarks Sark; Ark Arks
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