thanks but no - pppd with the 'demand' option sets up a virtual interface that is 'up' so that applications don't notice that it actually isn't, and then buffers packets, connects, and spurts them out as soon as the connection REALLY is up...
this is really weird. but then again, i think i saw an option with which you can set which packets bring up the interface, and which don't so maybe if i put ICMP in that thing, i can simply use ping....ah well. let's see.
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