in reply to OT: Emacs on Mac Catalina?

I never had a Mac on my own, but my ex-GF used to have a no-window version pre-installed, but that was 10 years ago.

That's what you mean? I'm pretty sure that was just a vanilla version which should be installable via package manager.

Additionally I was able to install AquaMacs which came with the full Mac-OS look-and-feel (and keybindings IIRC ?).

Cheers Rolf
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