in reply to Re: It has been suggested to rename Perl 6 in order to boost its marketing potential. Which name would you prefer?
in thread It has been suggested to rename Perl 6 in order to boost its marketing potential. Which name would you prefer?

You are so mean and insulting, I almost am crying, my infantile butterfly is comforting me.

So, well, no, I am not crying. That was just a bit of fun. But I am just wondering why anybody would attack people like Liz and me and so many other people who work hard to make Perl 6 a success. I wonder what problems such a person would have: personal, financial, medical, mental, whatever.

As you may know, I am responsible for making the Camelia logo into a stuffed toy, and I always have one on my desk, because I think she is lovely. The Camelia butterfly stuffed toy is quite a nice success, we have sold (or given away) 400 of them already. Quite a lot of people walked over a mile to get money from an ATM to buy one from me.

There are now 8 Perl 6 books published (Perl 6 at a Glance; Think Perl 6; Perl 6 Fundamentals; Perl 6 Deep Dive; Using Perl 6; Learning to Program with Perl 6; Parsing with Perl 6 Regexes and Grammars; Learning Perl 6), and more titles are coming this year and next year. I have agreements with all the publishers of these books, and they give me a nice community price reduction, so I can sell them at workshops, conferences and other Perl and open source events. Looking at the past 18 months, I sold 10x more Perl 6 books than Perl 5 books. I alone, as a small sales person, have sold close to 500 Perl 6 books in 18 months, without doing any marketing, just by being at events.

I've seen several presentations that compared Perl 5 and Perl 6. Initially, the presenters showed how much alike Perl 5 and Perl 6 are. Later on, they showed how Perl 6 can be more concise and at least as powerful, easy to document, and as least as fun to work with as Perl 5.

Liz Mattijsen has worked hard on the CPAN Butterfly Plan and has converted 100+ Perl 5 functions to Perl 6. Quite a lot of those were easy, and they were easy because the languages are so much alike.

Barely related? Nope.
Ten people that care? The Perl6 page on Facebook has 500+ members, and the #perl6 IRC channel always has 300+ chatting and hacking away. Hundreds of people have a book and/or a Camelia. Perl 6 presentations are now a significant part of many Perl-events.
Infantile butterfly? Of course. And it was also meant by Larry Wall to make sure that butch manly testosterone bombs who are just out to insult other people, stay out of our way (personally, I think it is at least a bit infantile to say "I think the butterfly is infantile, therefore I won't work with Perl 6").
Stillborn? With 8 different books, projects like Comma and Cro, Perl 6 taking part at events, Perl 6 seems to be living and working fine.

I fear you are gravely mistaken. I can just hope that at some point you see that Perl 6 can be very useful for you, and that you join in with the Perl 6 gang. It's a friendly group, a fun language, lots have to be done, and you would be welcomed.
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Re^3: It has been suggested to rename Perl 6 in order to boost its marketing potential. Which name would you prefer?
by Anonymous Monk on Jul 15, 2018 at 00:40 UTC
    500 people in the Facebook group? Wow, Perl6 has gained 28 people a year! How can anyone doubt growth numbers like that?!

      The funnier number is the 300+ in irc.

      The number of times I've visited irc channels with apparently hundreds of occupants, and yet nothing is said for hours and days on end, far outweighs those where any actual conversation was going on; and those where any conversation was actually relevant to the subject is minuscule.

      Other than the constant pointless stream of X joined, Y left, Y joined again, Y changed his handle to _Y; _Y changed his handle to Y....useful information on irc is the very definition of a needle in a haystack.


      With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
      Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
      "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority". The enemy of (IT) success is complexity.
      In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice. Suck that fhit
        The Perl 6 irc channel has online public accessible logs. You can see the ongoing discussions for yourself. Today 15 July 2018 . This is not a channel where people just come and go and change handles, this is where people ask and answer questions, discuss changes to Perl 6, etc.
        The funnier number is the 300+ in irc.

        That made me curious about Slack. The first search result I found for "Perl 6 Slack" shows 68 people in 11 channels, while the first search result not about writing bots for "Python programming Slack" shows 14,557 members.

        Now there's an obvious difference between "number of people in channels" and "number of members of a community", but I'm not sure that IRC is skating to where the puck is here.

        well, there is more than one way to measure activity I think the fact that Perl6 will have a proper IDE https://commaide.com/ is a very good sign

        I think the level of activity on Perl6 project on github is a good sign
        https://github.com/croservices/cro
        https://github.com/croservices/cro-core
        https://github.com/ugexe/zef
        https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo

        And level of activity on the Perl6.org site and the level of activity on twitter and the number of videos on youtube and even the level of activity on this small facebook group
        I see all of this as good signs

        And the Perl6 irc channel, is actually active and fun, but you probably need to start the conversation

        Perl6 does have a small, but active community, and hopefully it will get better
        Perl6 is a far more interesting language, than most language in active development today

        One can wish, that more developers from Perl5 will start being part of Perl6 ... but if this doesnt happen, well it is what is

        This small facebook group is a small nice and fun group, you are welcome to join the fun
Re^3: It has been suggested to rename Perl 6 in order to boost its marketing potential. Which name would you prefer?
by Jenda (Abbot) on Jul 16, 2018 at 09:41 UTC

    So you've proven that the "10 people" were an exaggeration? By means of 400 stuffed toys, 500 hundred books sold in 18 months, Facebook fan page of 500 (currently 510) and a (reportedly) fairly silent IRC of 300? What was the word I was looking for? Ah. Cute.

    After 18 years of design and development.

    Color me unimpressed.

    Jenda
    Enoch was right!
    Enjoy the last years of Rome.