You have moved into a dark place.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

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Re: You have moved into a dark place.
by cjf (Parson) on Mar 18, 2002 at 09:54 UTC

    What's wrong with using your scratchpad for this? I know a lot of monks already keep commonly referenced stuff that they don't want displayed on their homenode there. A separate section doesn't seem necessary, and IMHO definately shouldn't take priority over fixing/removing Perl News (newsfeed from hint hint ;) or other commonly brought up issues.

dark place
by zengargoyle (Deacon) on Mar 17, 2002 at 22:20 UTC

    This is my dark place, where's yours?

    Everybody needs a dark place to put links to nodes and such so they can cut and paste when responding to people. Sort of a node'ed user page and scratchpad rolled into one.

    If 'dark place' could be filtered from Newest Nodes or Super Search it could be the personal filesystem monks have been looking for.

    For example:
    I could add a comment to this node with my common responses ready for cut-n-paste:

    [cpan://Date::Manip] [|see + my scratchpad] ...your cut-n-paste needs here...

    I could craft a lengthy answer to a common problem, post it in a comment to this node, add it's link to the 'cut-n-pase' node and be set.

    I can find all of my dark place nodes by searching on 'dark place' and voila! all of my refrence nodes on one page, but each is directly linkable.

    I've been playing with the E2 engine and thinking about the recent discussions on the personal nodelet. We really need a new nodetype (clone of the current discussion type model) that only the author_user can reply to, and that doesn't show up in normal node searches or Newest Nodes but is reachable via links. If the display was overriden to a depth of 1 it would be like a filesystem, click a comment to see the comments of the comments... Give every user one dark place linked off of their user page.

    The 'personal nodelet' could be a list view of configurable depth of your dark place.

    • Regex Stuff
      • Simple
      • Hairy
    • LWP Stuff
    • Unsorted
      • Some page
      • add this page link

    So the question for Perl Monks Discussion is how hard would it be to do this with a new nodetype

      So the question for Perl Monks Discussion is how hard would it be to do this with a new nodetype

      It wouldn't be hard, but that is not a question for Perl Monks Discussion. The questions for perl monks discussion are:

      Is this a useful feature you see yourself using?

      What are the benefits of such a feature (how is it useful)?

      Why should the pmdev team consider taking the time to implement this?

      How much time would a new user need to learn to use such a feature?

      Now I would like to ask, What exactly is the new feature? (this dark place, that is directly linkable, with some cut-n-pase things ~ I've read your node 3 times and I don't exactly get it, so I would ask you to please explain clearly what it is)


      The 'personal nodelet' could be a list view of configurable depth of your dark place.
      No it couldn't. If anything like this is ever implemented, and that type of "view" is available in a nodelet, it would be a separate nodelet. The personal nodelet should not be modified.

      Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.
      perl -e "$q=$_;map({chr unpack qq;H*;,$_}split(q;;,q*H*));print;$q/$q;"

        I'm not sure where to start or how long to ramble...

        Take for instance Turstep's user page with all that good juicy information. It must be a pain to edit in a little browser text area. (yes there's cut-n-paste to vim and back..) but every little change requires uploading the whole thing back to the server. There are 26 screens (my browser) of info there. To break it up and organize it turnstep would have to do something like I tried, create a place to put nodes, only there's nowhere to do this (that I know about) that doesn't open it up to public comment (you can't comment on a scratch pad or user page). That may be good or bad.

        On the same form is your scratch pad, every time you update it you're uploading your bio information again.

        The more you keep the more you task the server. The more you edit the more you task the server.

        So in the perfect world of my head a monk has some nodes to organize with.

        Say there are some special monk nodes (get created if they don't exist, etc.) like a Favorites monknode. It's a Personal Nodelet replacement ;) and it's editable contents looks like this:

        <li>[id://145647|zengargoyle] <li>[id://6041|turnstep]

        The Favorites Nodelet just adds links to the end of the node. A monk can now edit this, change the titles, change the order, and have a really usefull nodelet without resorting to clicking checkboxes and adding links one at a time.

        This Favorites node is also nice to bring up when answering a question, cut-n-paste the link, change title.

        IMHO the bio, scratchpad and personalnodeletlinks each as a seperately editable node would be an improvement. That was the start of the monk nodetypes idea.

        Ok, the dark place was the fortune quote when I posted the thread, It seemed to fit at the time.

        Ramble off.

        I have nothing but respect for turnstep's effort, I think it's time to browse more user nodes.

        Having the bio and scratchpad on the same page will give me a tinge of guilt and a touch of fear every time I change either moreso when they get bigger.

        If nothing else, here is an easy feature request: A textbox and stubmit button in the personal nodelet. If there is text in the box and it's stubmitted use the text as the title of the link.

        I really wish the personal nodelet worked the way I described above. Monks could edit and organize the links without form bashing.

        Nothing has made me loose/gain/loose/gain.... experience points than this thread. Think it broke about even.

Re: You have moved into a dark place.
by belg4mit (Prior) on Mar 20, 2002 at 07:00 UTC
    Sounds good, I could imagine using it as this, Bookmarks / personal nodelet, as well. But it's even more generically useful which is cool.

    perl -pe "s/\b;([st])/'\1/mg"