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Re: merlyn is fighting a fight of justice. I stand apologetic, informed and corrected
by Fastolfe (Vicar) on Dec 26, 2001 at 19:30 UTC

    I have no interest in passing judgement on anything merlyn may have done. I do have issues with you bringing these completely non-Perl and rather confrontational posts to this site. That's why I downvoted them. I have no problem with critical thinkers, but I do have a problem with people that just blow up with a reaction-provoking post about some off-topic problem they have and then get pissy with the world when they do, in fact, react to it. Seriously, what did you expect?

Re: merlyn is fighting a fight of justice. I stand apologetic, informed and corrected
by BMaximus (Chaplain) on Dec 27, 2001 at 00:21 UTC
    Only 1 percent of the people here can see things at your level of clarity. The other 99 percent will not understand you.

    I disagree with most of this statement. What information do you have that only 1% of the PM population can understand things at Merlyn's level of clarity? Did you take a poll? You cite it as if it were fact when it should be labeled more as an opinion. I don't think that Merlyn was downvoted because of a person's inability to understand what he was saying but more so to the perceived abrasive tone of his writing (short and to the point can seem like you're calling a person stupid). I have seen much improvement in Merlyn's writing (as far as his short and to the point posts, we all know he can write a great article) since I joined PM. Merlyn has gained my respect and admiration as a person that I can learn from.

    I'm a little disconcerted with your wording in the final paragraph. I'm really bothered by it. It almost seems like a putdown to those whom you think can't understand. I'm wondering what that would look like to an individual who is just starting out in Perl.

    BMaximus
Re (tilly) 1: merlyn is fighting a fight of justice. I stand apologetic, informed and corrected
by tilly (Archbishop) on Jan 04, 2002 at 09:14 UTC
    I am curious why you accuse me of having an abusive personality. I occasionally express things in a very strong fashion, sometimes intentionally and sometimes not. But I have a general belief that people really can improve. Indeed I have expressed exactly that belief about you in past discussion. By contrast merlyn every so often explains that he thinks some people simply should not be programmers, they don't have what it takes.

    So our respective positions as I see it are diametrically opposed from what your position appears to be, and so I am wondering how you came to your current opinion.

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Re: merlyn is fighting a fight of justice. I stand apologetic, informed and corrected
by vladb (Vicar) on Dec 27, 2001 at 05:35 UTC
    Let me disagree with your dissent on certain points and the way you interpret behavior of certain individuals (aka monks).

    My understanding is that it's perfectly legitimate for a well known and credited monk (*hint* *hint* merlyn), who's notably contributed significantly to the rest of the Perl community through his selfless contributions, to update the rest on matters that _eventually_ would affect many of us who've come to like and appreciate Perl and the 'hacker' spirit (i assume 'hacker' is distinctly different from 'cracker'). Personally, I appreciated merlyn's effort in doing so as that allowed me for a chance to learn certain "do" and "do-nots" when it comes to the corporate world etc. And I definitely have a hard time understanding reasoning of certain monks who attempt to somehow diminish the importance of the post failing to give proper credit where it's due. Moreover, they (i would refrain from mentioning specific monk ids) assert (falesly as I think) that merlyn's level of 'being famous' doesn't lent him any right to do such posts that seem to concern his 'private' matters. Well, afterall, it is due to his involvement in the Perl community that certain things that occur in his live may not be ignored by the rest. I think that these court proceedings are a prime example of a few things that should be a legitimate concern for the rest. Besides, this is also a good case in point (for those like me at the least who learned something :). And I certainly don't think it's somehow 'discriminatory' against 'unfamous monks' to upvote merlyn's node on the grounds that the former wouldn't have such favor. In fact, I _do_ agree that were it an 'unfamous monk' that made the post, I'd probably consider it somewhat irrelavent ;-) On the other hand, however, if the post dealt with some 'universal'/political issues that are bound to raise some serious questions (such as jailing of a poor hacker 'Joe', for example), I would have most likely accepted it.

    Speaking of vroom and his alleged 'dictatorship', I would bluntly disagree and even dissaprove of similar comments that were clearly made without merit. He's worked hard to bring this site up (maybe with the help of a few others, maybe not..) and with all due respect I say he's got certain rights over it. Now, whether he excercises them properly or not is up to him. From where I stand, however, I didn't notice anything wrong with vroom. But, _even_ if anything _did_ occur, I'd be willing to live with it or somehow figure a way to settle any disputs privately (without having to announce it to the rest of the community). Moreover, I didn't see any legitimate facts/evidence to your allegations against vroom. Or is it something you somehow foresee to happen?

    "There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels." -- Confession of Faith
Re: merlyn is fighting a fight of justice. I stand apologetic, informed and corrected
by SparkeyG (Curate) on Dec 26, 2001 at 23:54 UTC
    Having read this and the previous thread. I want to compliment princepawn on writing this humbling node. It's not always hard to admit your wrong, but I feel you do it well.

    --SparkeyG
    Father of One