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Controversial!! - Get rid of the -- vote option.
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by cnd
on Oct 24, 2021 at 07:23
    Quora/Stackoverflow/etc have all been destroyed by opinionated idiots abusing the downvote system.

    I notice that the monks appear to have succumbed to the popularity gods and implemented a similar system.

    In all seriousness: there are only 2 kinds of readers:

    1. . Folk who know their stuff, understand the situation, and properly cast a ++ vote.
    2. . Ev everyone else - especially including trolls, angry fools, idiots who don't-know-shit, folk who do not like the subject itself or happen to have a different opinion to it, haters who dislike the poster or their alias, and so forth.
    The *problem* is that the group of #2 outweigh the group of #1 by at least 100:1 - which means that the entire usefulness of the voting system is destroyed: the actual voices of wisdom are downed out entirely by the idiots.

    I propose to delete the -- option entirely.

    Think really carefully about this:
    a) what kind of person do you need to be in order to be qualified to cast a "++" vote?
    b) what kind of person do you need to be in order that your casting of a "--" vote is on-topic and useful to the conversation and deserving to decrement the vote of person (a) ?

    See my point? There's no possible way to ensure that only skilled down-voters are counted, so not counting any downvotes at all actually sovles the problem. Garbage still ends up with "zero" reputation as it properly deserves, and all the gems are all but guaranteed to float to the top - without risk of being scuttled by fools.

How do you track nodes/replies of interest?
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by perlfan
on Oct 12, 2021 at 20:45
    Please point me to such a feature if I am totally missing it. But I've often wondered the best way to bookmark or somehow aggregate interesting nodes, answers, etc - I mean other than manually tracking node IDs in scratchpad or in browser bookmarks..what methods do y'all use? Is there a "bookmark" or "save" node feature here that I have somehow missed all these eons?
Module Reviews display error
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by Athanasius
on Oct 06, 2021 at 07:32

    Just stumbled across this today...

    When I click on any of the reviews in the Module Reviews section, I see, not the contents of the review, but metadata for the node. For example, the entry for the review of Acme::Apache::Werewolf by rob_au displays:

    • node_iip: none
    • package: 0
    • type: modulereview
    • core: 0
    • nodeupdated: 2005-08-13 16:55:42
    • reputation: 69
    • locktime: 0000-00-00 00:00:00
    • node_id: 307626
    • author_user: rob_au
    • hits: 2110
    • title: Acme::Apache::Werewolf
    • ucreatetime: 1069065933
    • createtime: 2003-11-17 05:45:33
    • postbonus: 1
    • votescast: 69
    • lockedby_user: none

    The reviews in the Book Reviews section are displaying correctly.


    Athanasius <°(((><contra mundum Iustus alius egestas vitae, eros Piratica,

scheme://query no longer works in Search box
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by ikegami
on Sep 08, 2021 at 14:47

    id://11136579, doc://pack and mod://Text::CSV_XS no longer work in the search box. I just get redirected from to

    id://11136579, doc://pack and mod://Text::CSV_XS still work in posts, though.

    Perhaps broken by the Open redirects are disabled change?

My reputation points...?
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by sbrothy
on Sep 04, 2021 at 18:27

    I recently graduated to novice(?) and have been allocated some reputation points to bestow on other people. I read that there would be some +'s and -'s next to the posts in my threads. I've been unable to find them though but whether that's due to my mediocrity or your appallingly wonderful UI I'm not sure. I've tried reading around but either I'm too lazy or the explanations are too opaque.

    Any chance of a link to a dumbed down version?

    Regards, sbrothy.

PerlMonks Shortcuts in Other ChatterBox Clients
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by choroba
on Sep 03, 2021 at 12:46
    I didn't want to implement all the shortcuts PerlMonks provides in What shortcuts can I use for linking to other information? in my ChatterBox client, so I just redirected the links to /?node=.... When you clicked on [imdb://Office Space] in pm-cb-g, it opened—but after the change from April 16 ("Open redirects are disabled"), this stopped working!

    Is there a way how to get the target link from a shortcut? I.e. I don't want to redirect to it, I just want to get the link back so I can open it myself.

    map{substr$_->[0],$_->[1]||0,1}[\*||{},3],[[]],[ref qr-1,-,-1],[{}],[sub{}^*ARGV,3]
Mysterious unreap
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by LanX
on Sep 02, 2021 at 02:23
Best client for Perl Monks messages and chatterbox
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by perlygapes
on Jul 21, 2021 at 05:07
    Can I bend someone's ear for a moment:

    Is there a really good client that makes interacting with the Perly Gates message forum and chatter box really easy?
    Or do people just use the HTML page and have to type all the Markdown code manually?

    Prost, as they say in Germania :)
Voting inside longer subthreads with jump marks
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by LanX
on Jul 18, 2021 at 17:57
    For discussion (and as reminder to myself)

    Voting inside longer sub-threads with many posts is easy, you select ++ or -- and hit return.

    But the request will return at the very beginning of the page and you need to scroll again to were you started.

    actually there are anchors allowing to return from where you voted, like


    one only needs to isolate the ID from the radio's name <input type="radio" name="vote__11135141" value="-1">

    Minor complication is that one can vote on multiple nodes at the same time, identifying the one where the request was triggered might require some JS trickery.


    In hindsight, implementing to vote with an AJAX request might be the better approach tho. It wouldn't require to reload the whole page and fiddling with the current vote mechanism.

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
    Wikisyntax for the Monastery

No Votes Available to Me for the Last Two Days
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by roho
on Jun 26, 2021 at 00:38
    For the past 2 days I have had no votes available to me. I normally have 40 votes each day. This is the first time in 19 years this has happened to me. Have I somehow turned off the voting app? If so, how do I turn it back on? Has anyone else experienced this?

    Can someone with the proper access and authority please look into this? Thank you.

    "It's not how hard you work, it's how much you get done."

What are the formatting rules for the "Title" of posts?
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by kcott
on Jun 19, 2021 at 20:06

    G'day All,

    I had some problems with the rendering of the title of a post. I can't find any specific information: Super Search with keywords like title is not particularly useful. I suspect this may be documented somewhere; I hoping someone can point me to that.

    The specific problem occurred with "Re^2: @ARGV ignores quotes [ZERO WIDTH SPACE]". That node's title currently renders as: Re^2: @ARGV ignores quotes [ZERO WIDTH SPACE].

    Originally, the end of that was [&#8203;] which rendered as: Re^2: @ARGV ignores quotes [].

    I didn't think that entity references were honoured in titles; however, this indicated I was wrong (or so I believed). I thought that would be an easy fix and changed the end part to [&amp;#8203;]; but that rendered as: Re^2: @ARGV ignores quotes [&amp;#8203;].

    As I couldn't work out the apparently contradictory behaviour, I simply took a pragmatic approach and changed the end to [ZERO WIDTH SPACE] (its current value).

    Any help with this would be appreciated.

    — Ken

Problems with Newest Nodes
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by roho
on Jun 14, 2021 at 09:19
    I cleared "last checked time" in "Newest Nodes" and now it only shows questions for the last 24 hours. I went to "Newest Node Settings" to change "last checked time", but found no setting for it.

    How do I get "Newest Nodes" to permanently show more than the last 24 hours of questions again (i.e., get back to the way it was before I cleared "last checked time")?

    "It's not how hard you work, it's how much you get done."

Markdown is now supported for comments, experimentally
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by jdporter
on Jun 09, 2021 at 15:15

    Due to "popular demand", PerlMonks now supports Markdown formatting for writeups. Note: Initially, Markdown is only supported for comments (aka notes). If everyone likes it, we will extend the capability to root-level posts as well (SOPW posts, etc.)

    Some relevant past discussions:

    Sorry it took me a minute to implement this feature. :-D

    To enable the use of Markdown in your comments, go to your User Settings and change the "Format writeups as:" selection from 'conventional' to 'markdown'.

    Be aware that this is a global setting. You can't select the format at the time you submit the writeup.

    When you are looking at a writeup entry box (textarea), you will see a short note immediately above it indicating which markup you can use.

    This change was actually relatively simple to implement, since modules for converting markdown to HTML already existed.
    I would like to know if there is any demand for any other Lightweight markup languages.
    For example, we could add support for Textile or some flavor of wiki text.

    I reckon we are the only monastery ever to have a dungeon staffed with 16,000 zombies.
PerlMonks on the community dashboard?
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by 1nickt
on May 15, 2021 at 10:09

    This is a great idea for a "Grafana-ish" community dashboard collating metrics from various Perl sites and communities. Should PerlMonks offer to participate? (Sadly the author did not mention us in a list of resources he contemplates metering initially.)

    The way forward always starts with a minimal test.
Comment form's help text can avoid supersearch perhaps
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by bliako
on May 12, 2021 at 05:03

    I was looking for how to insert actual < and > on a comment and saw that under the comment box there is this (tags reducted):

    • Snippets of code should be wrapped in ... tags not ... tags. In fact, ... tags should generally be avoided. If they must be used, extreme care should be taken to ensure that their contents do not have long lines (... chars), in order to prevent horizontal scrolling (and possible editor intervention).
    • Want more info? How to link or How to display code and escape characters are good places to start.

    But the links either lead to nowhere (1st one) or lead to super-search with no results. Perhaps it can lead to a static page so as to reduce the burden to the site?

    bw, bliako

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