Re^10: Who is your favorite scientist and why?

[james28909]

would you agree that life evolves from ignorance to intelligence? please point out to me a life form that goes from intelligence to ignorance. the universe we live in has sculpted us into existence. one factor that is stopping this theory is the fact that we have not found other intelligent life in the universe... YET. which would signify that evolution happens the same way on other planets/solar systems/galaxies. i am not sure of the reasoning as to why our species picked to stay on land, but i am glad they did, it seems that it has propelled us into deeper thoughts/thinking than those counterparts in the ocean. not saying that life in the ocean cant one day do the same things we do eventually, but we seem to have got there faster. and by "got there faster" i mean we got to "intelligence" faster. so, in my eyes, intelligence is more than likely inevitable in this universe. in other words it is not a random fluke if it happens more than once. other animals seem intelligent on this planet, just not as intelligent as humans.why should it stop with our planet?

another thing, why did there have to be so many species? why werent the first single cell organisms the last species of anything on this planet? why did it multiply into thousands of different species on our planet? if single cell organisms thrived, then what was the point of evolving any further at all? if mutation or other biological factors are your argument then you have only proven my point and beliefs. the very fact that this universe has molded us into what we are today... is a hint of "design". why are we as smart as we are now? why are we not still trying to hide from predators?

now look down into the quantum realm. you have particles that come into existence simply by observing them or measuring them (double slit experiment). these particles also change their properties and/or paths depending on WHEN AND WHERE they are observed or measured (Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser). now i am no scientist, but it sure seems like the particle itself, or whatever function that particle resides in, knows we are observing it. like i said, i am agnostic and i do believe in a creator. i do not need or want to worship this creator. i do not want to sacrifice any animals in celebration of this creator lol.

i would like to point out that one of dr tysons biggest arguements is against those who believe in a creator. he is just the other side of the "scale" because you have people that say "oh its all just randomness" and get tired and stop learning about our environment/universe. the same can be said about those who believe to strongly in a "god", they see something they cant explain and say "oh god is wonderful". one can still go on in both scenarios and make scientific discoveries. for either side to sit back and try to mke the other side look ignorant, is ignorant itself. how about you spill your beans instead of spilling other peoples beans. you can quote a charming phrase, but that does not mean it should be the only path to intelligence.

[Arunbear]

would you agree that life evolves from ignorance to intelligence?

Sometimes it does. Most of the time it doesn't.

please point out to me a life form that goes from intelligence to ignorance

Homo Sapiens e.g. the Dark Ages, The Islamic Reformation etc (just read some history).

if mutation or other biological factors are your argument then you have only proven my point and beliefs.

How does mutation require a creator?

like i said, i am agnostic and i do believe in a creator

Then please check the definition of agnostic - it's someone who doesn't know if there's a creator or not. True Agnosticism means admitting we don't know how something works, not looking for an easy answer like a creator.

why are we not still trying to hide from predators?

Oh but we are. Where do you think racism comes from. Why are so many people unwilling to give up their guns, etc.

you can quote a charming phrase, but that does not mean it should be the only path to intelligence.

The purpose of the quote is to only to reveal things that you haven't considered or are ignoring.

[james28909]

most of these were answered in the chatterbox while you were here. i want to answer this one question, again. YES i am agnostic. i believe that there is no way to prove or disprove god (yet, let it answer itself already). but i also believe that there very well could be a creator. the evidence, to me, strongly suggest that there is and i will believe that until enough evidence stacks up against me and so far your attempt to derail my beliefs have came up short.
have a nice day

[Arunbear]

most of these were answered in the chatterbox while you were here.

And how do you know when I was here? Someone being logged in doesn't mean they are near the computer. In any case this is a public forum, so other folks reading this may well think you are avoiding the questions ... but that's your choice.

and so far your attempt to derail my beliefs have came up short

Asking you to provide evidence to support your claims is not an attempt to derail your beliefs. It is an attempt to make sense of your claims, because sadly the evidence you provided is not anything solid, only wishful thinking and arguments-from-ignorance.

I don't mean to sound negative, I understand how comfortable it is to believe that the universe has a purpose - I used to believe that myself many years ago.

[james28909]

also, show me evidence of stars that dont form out of gas clouds. show me planets that dont form when the environment is right. show me a planet that doesnt form life if it supports it. show me evolution that doesnt progress. these are all just more things that lead me to my beliefs. if it were all just randomness, then why do things like galaxies/solarsystems/planets/life even evolve? life is so easily extinguished. dont you find it odd that me or you are sitting here on a computer thats based off of the same mathematics that explain our universe? my question is WHY can we use the same mathematics that we use to create computers and programs and also explain fundamental static laws with it? if any of those laws were a single decimal place different, we wouldnt be here having this discussion. show me a universe that doesnt do these things, you cant? me neither. because i live in this universe, and we havent evolved to a level that we can understand anything outside of our universe. that is why i say let the question answer itself. but to me, there is an overwhelming sensation of intelligent design. and yes, that does sound alot better than something coming from absolutely nothing. what is your evidence of something coming from nothing? can you even explain "nothing"? nope because questioning/explaining it brings it into existence, which means it is no longer "nothing". i can argue points all day long. i aint even had any coffee yet. if you want to lay out your facts and let me go down the list, then that will be great. i like contrasted things. it helps others understand and possibly lets them understand on a level different than me or you.