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Let's get back on point, please

by pemungkah (Priest)
on Feb 10, 2014 at 11:08 UTC ( #1074229=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^8: Having our anonymous cake and eating it too (impolite)
in thread Having our anonymous cake and eating it too

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Re: Let's get back on point, please
by mr_mischief (Monsignor) on Feb 10, 2014 at 14:43 UTC

    How exactly are social issues not personal? Is your entry into the social realm not as a person?

    I don't see how your solution to whitelist and blacklist individuals and anonymous postings fixes the site. It breaks the threaded discussion central to how the site works.

    You could use custom CSS to collapse postings you really don't want to see. You could just not read posts from people who frustrate you so. You may even find that people you dislike can on some occasions have something useful to say.

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Re: Let's drop this long belaboured, never pertinent, pointless subject once and for all.
by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on Feb 10, 2014 at 11:18 UTC
    Your response seems meant to attack me personally

    There was no "attack" -- I didn't comment on your proposition. Nor was there anything "personal".

    You made bad arguments in favour of a minority view. I downvoted them and explained why.

    The only person making or finding anything personal here is you.


    With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
    Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
    "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
    In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.
      "You and your ilk are a tiny minority trying to impose your opinion upon the majority who actively and vocally disagree with you".

      There are four "you"s and "your"s in that sentence. I don't know how to parse that sentence in a way that is not personal.

      If you'd care to explain how it is not personal?

        I am replying to you. If one takes the mere fact that I'm specific about that as a personal attack, then one is being thin-skinned and/or paranoid.

        "Taking it personally" means feeling that you are being personally attacked. It isn't the same as me just using "you" instead of the less-common "one" as a pronoun. A personal attack is making disparaging remarks about the other's presumed personal attributes, especially in an off-topic and/or intentionally insulting manner. Twisting "taking it personally" to claim it means "noting that you addressed me directly" is the kind of thing a troll would do. (No, I'm not accusing you of being a troll (though, I'm not ruling it out), just noting the lack of useful point in your reply.)

        For the record, I amend "the best counter to bad speech is good speech" by noting that it mostly doesn't apply to insulting speech. The best counter to insulting speech is pointed silence, with a very infrequent bit of extraordinary eloquence (and that last bit often not in public). Though, if the insults are from trolls, then it is best to skip the eloquence entirely. And on-line, unfortunately, the odds of even extraordinary eloquence having much impact on those doing the insulting are quite thin (and the odds of generating more insulting speech in reply rather high).

        There are a lot of inconvenient, unfortunate, and uncomfortable things in life. Perhaps even more so in on-line life (though the consequences on-line are usually much more limited in their actual harm). In theory, it may seem like a great idea to try to eliminate such things. In practice, attempts to ban or hide everything bad have consequences that are easily worse than the benefits.

        Now that you've spent a lot of time trying to come up with how other things can change to benefit your on-line life, I think it is time for you to spend some time considering ways you can change to benefit your on-line life.

        - tye        

        Stop being crass.

        You just said: "If you'd care to explain how it is not personal?"

        Am I offended because a responder referred to me by a personal pronoun? Of course not. It is tedious -- and ridiculous to even try -- to avoid saying "you" when conducting a conversation.

        But responding to one member of a group, does not make the response "personal" to that individual; much less an "attack".

        I'll say it again, stop being crass. Stop trying to perpetuate a pointless discussion. Stop trying to whip up controversy where there is none. Stop searching for something to be offended by. Stop attempting to start fires where none exist. The motivations for such are as juvenile as they are transparent.


        With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
        Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
        "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
        In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

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