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RE: RE: Scalability of the voting system
by chromatic (Archbishop) on May 10, 2000 at 01:00 UTC
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It only *seems* skewed, because there are two factors which haven't yet reached an upper bound -- the number of regular users of the site, and the number of available votes a good post can receive. As those increase (the second somewhat dependent upon the first), so will the number of points awarded to the best nodes.
It would be nice if voters dug through the archives to find some underappreciated gems (there are a couple of Snippets I'm incredibly proud of, as they're good technical hacks) instead of hitting up the newest ones.
Of course, as the number of votes available to J. Random Regular increases, unless the total number of really good posts (as opposed to mediocre) will have to increase, or he'll vote up posts that are less deserving than before. When you only have five votes per day, and thirty new posts, you'll save your votes for the gems. When you have 25 votes per day and 30 new posts, you can afford to be less discriminating.
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Why not do it the other way around? As chromatic put it, when you have only 5 votes you treat each of them as if they were gems. Then why not keep them that way? People should be excited to be able to vote in the 1st place. Not only because it gives you XPs, but because its a priviledge. I've noticed that since I made monk, I've increased my XPs A LOT just by the mere voting quantity factor, and sincerely, I think each one of my votes actually is worth less now.
To be able to do a "trusty vote" does it really matter how much XPs you have? Bottom line, I say keep the voting XPs but don't increase the number of votes as you "grow".
#!/home/bbq/bin/perl
# Trust no1!
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I don't know about the less votes thing. Most days I
have more votes than I need, but sometimes I've got a
good use for every one (or I wish I could hold over
the ones that were left from the previous day).
Just having X votes doesn't mean a person needs to spend
X votes if there aren't the same number of deserving
articles. If someone really wants to be a munchkin,
I'm sure there are other ways of pumping up exp other
than getting that last vote bonus--such as creating
multiple logins which serve only to give the primary
login votes, or entering into an agreement with another
loser to promote each other's posts, etc. No matter what
you do, someone who is determined can cheat or abuse the
system.
I do think there should be some way for more advanced
monks to have more influence. One way is of course by
giving them more votes. Another way might be to have
their votes count more--perhaps carry a greater chance of
xp for the receipient, and to affect reputation by 2 instead
of 1. It certainly means more to me if I get a vote from
someone whom I respect than if I get one from the person
described in the previous paragraph. Or it would, if I
knew who had voted :)
I'm not sure that's a good idea though. There are some
things I vote for where I'd happily spend 3 votes if I
could, but a lot of the time I'm not that
enthralled with the post that I'd spend more than one
vote. Hmm, maybe some normal votes and some more powerful
votes?
Kudra - if exp doesn't matter, why do we seem to care so
much about voting? ;)
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To be able to do a "trusty vote" does it really matter how much XPs you have? Bottom line, I say keep the voting XPs but don't
increase the number of votes as you "grow".
Or, increase it, but not by as much as it is now. After all,
the idea of giving you more votes as you grow is the assumption
that as you have more experience, you are more qualified
to "grade" other people's comments, which makes sense.
I just made monk, and 16 votes per day is plenty to spend.
Maybe the increase could be by 2-3 votes per rank, instead of
by 3-5 as it is now.
--ZZamboni
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Maybe there shouldn't be so much encouragement to use all your votes. What actual experience do I get using all of my votes? Maybe we should keep XP for voting, but remove the XP for using all your votes.
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$.02 from a not-yet-experienced-enough-to-even-vote monk...
I agree with Adam and Neshura. Voting should be primarily
an attempt to grant XP to the author of a well-written and/or
useful post (or, conversely, to inflict penance on a wayward
monk).
I like the incentive to participate in this great site, and
you should continue to give XP to those who vote, but perhaps
on a decreasing scale (The first vote has 25% chance of +1,
but the chance for XP declines for each vote thereafter.)
Russ
P.S. The XP nodelet shows (as I am posting this) that I
have graduated to level 2. Now I'll see what voting is really like... :-)
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