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Re: Can I please have multiple downvotes per (certain monk's) posts.

by Laurent_R (Canon)
on May 30, 2015 at 09:30 UTC ( [id://1128381]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Can I please have multiple downvotes per (certain monk's) posts.

There is one thing that I sort of dislike about the voting system: you cannot know the reputation of a node so long as you haven't voted for or against it (except your own nodes). This makes it, IMHO, much less useful than if you could see upfront that this particular node that you are visiting has been very much up- or down- voted by other monks.
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Re^2: Can I please have multiple downvotes per (certain monk's) posts.
by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on May 30, 2015 at 09:55 UTC
    you cannot know the reputation of a node so long as you haven't voted for or against it .... This makes it, IMHO, much less useful than if you could see upfront that this particular node that you are visiting has been very much up- or down- voted by other monks.

    I agree, but I understand the reasoning. Namely the very human habit of going with the crowd. There is no simple solution to resolve that habit whilst allowing people to chose to pass-over low rep nodes.

    But maybe there is. If the suggestion above that once a node has demonstrated a sufficient downward trend to allow (automated) judgement to be passed, then the node is replaced by an official warning and further voting on it gets suspended.

    Of course, where you set the break points and how you account for the possibility that initial flurry's of downvotes can sometimes be later countered by more reasoned upvotes -- a trend I've witnessed on more than a few of my own posts which have initially been misunderstood or misinterpreted -- would require very careful thought. I won't even make a suggestion for such a formula.


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      Yeah, I also understand the reasoning (the "habit of going with the crowd"), I know that this may be a problem, but I still think it would be more useful to see the reputation of a node upfront. Sometimes, I am googling for a technical question on which I know next to nothing and find some answers on Stackoverflow, I must say that seeing the "reputation" (whatever the exact name for it is on SO) of the answers really helps sorting out good from bad answers.

      Anyway, just my 2 cents...

        My experience on Stack Overflow is quite different.

        I do frequently find that if I start on Google and pick a Stack Overflow item from it, I often find an answer or a cluebat -- and about half the time, they're heavily downvoted and closed due to being "off topic".

        Asking the question on Stack Overflow directly is a mixed bag. Most of the time nobody will take the time to answer a difficult question. I am given to understand, after reading many blog articles, that it's part of the problem with the SO culture -- it's all about the votes, so people only take the time to answer something where they can provide a fast answer and get lots of votes.

        And the "community" there is apt to go downvote a lot of nodes by anyone where they found one thing worth downvoting, which is reprehensible school-children level behavior.

        So I'm hesitant to change anything we're doing differently than Stack Overflow, because the bullying behavior here is limited to a handful of noisy accounts, whereas on SO it seems to be the order of the day, every day.

        My inescapable conclusion is this: While we might be able to improve on what we have, we're definitely doing enough things better than SO that, by and large, they should not be our role model, but rather, the other way around.

Re^2: Can I please have multiple downvotes per (certain monk's) posts.
by Ratazong (Monsignor) on Jun 01, 2015 at 07:40 UTC

    A solution that could help (at least me) would be to mark nodes after a certain time has passed, e.g. after 3 months.

    Then nodes could be marked as "be careful" if they have a negative reputation and with "outstanding" if they have a very high positive reputation (e.g. > $norm * 4).

    I assume the crowd-effect would be low, as these nodes are no longer very visible (they are mostly found using search-engines). And for nodes found that way a general inidication of the quality would be helpful, as the reader might not see/check the whole context of the node.

    Just an idea ... Rata

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