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Re^7: Hash key composition with a comma?

by sauoq (Abbot)
on Mar 18, 2018 at 16:19 UTC ( #1211192=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^6: Hash key composition with a comma?
in thread Hash key composition with a comma?

I don't know who posted it. But the content stands on its own. And what he said about the pitfalls was true even if his estimate of the danger was overblown.

Yes, this is a place for beginners as well as competent hackers. And I agree that examples are better. But they aren't always necessary and not providing one isn't really cause for a berating, particularly on fundamental points. And if a beginner doesn't understand and would like an example, he could always ask for one, right? I assume you didn't actually need one and I question your attempt to test the AM.

Not that any of this is as important as we are making it. You have a stated dislike for anonymous posting; I have a stated dislike for gratuitous pedantry. I think this thread brought up each of our pet peeves.

-sauoq
"My two cents aren't worth a dime.";
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Re^8: Hash key composition with a comma?
by Your Mother (Bishop) on Mar 18, 2018 at 17:26 UTC
    …not providing one isn't really cause for a berating, particularly on fundamental points…

    This was my original request–

    Perhaps you could show how such a legacy code trap might work. Some code to demonstrate the issue.

    It's cromulent and it would have taken less effort to demonstrate for someone who knows any Perl than to go on and on about how it's clear to everyone. And regarding particularly on fundamental points, just no. Flat Earth is a thing. Complete disbelief in evolution is a thing. And hackers who put passwords in query strings or cookies, can't understand the most basic properties of numbers or data structures, and cause multi-million dollar breaches of data are most definitely a thing. As I said, if you or pretty much any named monk here had done the post, I wouldn't have objected, except perhaps to say, as you said, the urgency was hyperbolic. Twenty years in mostly on legacy Perl I never saw the problem once. As LanX said, there is some context lacking and probably I'm overly aggressive with the situation—syphilis recently called me out on it and was quite right—but I'm 100% done with that monk or anyone unidentifiable who sounds like him.

Re^8: Hash key composition with a comma?
by LanX (Archbishop) on Mar 18, 2018 at 16:35 UTC
    Hi saouq

    > I don't know who posted it.

    You haven't posted since 2015 and might not know how damaging the workings of certain monks have become.

    So please be tolerant of some reflex answers...

    > I question your attempt to test the AM.

    I welcome it, because finding an example highlighted that this "meta-character problem" is far less dangerous than the usual ones.

    There are far too many dogmatisms in IT which need to be questioned.

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
    Wikisyntax for the Monastery

      So please be tolerant of some reflex answers...

      I will not.

      No one needs to post by reflex. We'd all be served better by well-considered posts.

      Poor responses are best handled by writing good responses. (Which you did.) Attacking the author isn't helpful. Attacking them on weak points is even less so.

      While it's true I haven't posted here (except maybe for some of my own drive-by AM postings from time to time) since 2015... it's also true that I started posting here in 2002. We never had a shortage of monks posting bad info. I even have some recollection of sundialsvc4. Don't feed the trolls is as good advice now as ever.

      -sauoq
      "My two cents aren't worth a dime.";
        > Poor responses are best handled by writing good responses.

        ...And...

        > ...  have some recollection of sundialsvc4. Don't feed the trolls ...

        I'm confused!

        What exactly is your strategy now when facing poor responses from a "SunDroll" ?

        Cheers Rolf
        (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
        Wikisyntax for the Monastery

        He's not a troll and survives without feeding.

        Our concern is to warn the unaware from his preachings.

        > Poor responses are best handled by writing good responses

        You are welcome to come back for a while and write good responses to his claims... :)

        Cheers Rolf
        (addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
        Wikisyntax for the Monastery

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