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RE: (Ozymandias) RE: RE: Proposed XP System Changes

by Nitsuj (Hermit)
on Aug 04, 2000 at 00:16 UTC ( #26083=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to (Ozymandias) RE: RE: Proposed XP System Changes
in thread Proposed XP System Changes

If votes don't affect XP, why not give everyone unlimitted voting priveledges? I suppose that the obvious answer to this would be that people with higher XP deserve to have more of an effect on the site. (Just thought that deserved to be out in the open)

Also, how is one to gain enough XP to really effect the site if voting and such doesn't help it? I think that voting gives you too much XP. I think that cutting it down to 1/6 is a good idea, and perhaps giving you 1/10th of the votes you user per day. I mean, I think that I was accepted into the community pretty quickly, I've been reading and lurking for a long time, but only recently have I begun to post and such, but I really don't vote on people that I don't know... because I never KNOW to read their nodes. I think that a lot of people don't read my nodes because they don't know me. How many people have read my string evaluation node? It may be impractical in perl code, but it is good computer science. (not to seem fat headed, I could say that of almost any node I wanted to). I think that part of the problem with eliminating the use of votes entirely is that it doesn't provide a way IN to the site without chatting a lot. You might not be able to shut me up, but a lot of the more shy individuals may feel intimidated by participation in the chatterbox. Whereas a person like me who never shuts up might easily gain XP through a system focused on rep, a person shy person will be overlooked entirely, it could be Larry Wall incognito, and we'd miss him entirely.

I do think that it's too easy to attain high rank though. I think that rep should be more important. I think that you should require more XP too. I think that a lot of my posts haven't earned me a lot of XP, but I deserve more XP for that than for voting. I do like how the ranks are set up though. It should take a long time to be considered a saint here, but merely being interested and taking part should make you a monk. I mean, it's called perlMONKS, not perl initiates ;-)

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RE: RE: (Ozymandias) RE: RE: Proposed XP System Changes
by mikfire (Deacon) on Aug 04, 2000 at 00:38 UTC
    Votes do affect XP. The voter still draws a bonus for casting a vote until they reach monk level. The votee gets an XP bonus from the cast vote no matter what level the votee is at.

    I cannot speak for other monks. I do not look at who wrote the article when I read it or when I vote. I vote on the article based on a couple of really simple criteria, based on where it is in the Monestary.

    I vote for a question in Q&A or SoPW if the question makes me think "Hmm, how does that work?" or if I recognize it as a problem I have had and really had to slave out of it.

    I vote for answers if they are clear, precise and are of a "good" tone. I also like answers that address larger issues and try to answer even the unasked questions.

    Most everywhere else, I vote for an article if it makes me laugh. I vote for an article if it is well written and makes me think a bit.

    Nowhere in my system do I care who wrote it.

    I am sorry if we miss the shy people. They are important to this site. I am not sorry if we miss Larry Wall incognito, cause that is what he wants - by the very definition of the word incognito. I feel that allowing karma whores and the whole slashdot thing is more dangerous than missing the shy people.

    Make your proposal. The goals are to encourage and increase the reward for particpating, to keep the signal/noise ratio high and make the levels somewhat indicative of how much a monk has given to the community. vroom reads this stuff. If it is a good idea, he will think about it.

    I can't speak to the missed articles, cause I have a fair number that received nowhere near the number of votes they should have as well.



      I like the new system, as it was implemented. It was too easy to aquire status before, by just voting.

      I have only been posting for a month or so now, so I certainly don't deserve high rank yet.

      I was just saying that voting is important as well. Some people were saying that it should be taken out entirely. I was merely stating my opinion on the matter, not condemning anyone elses.

      Oh yeah, I meant to mention, I know that MY PERSONAL system of voting is guilty of favoritism towards those that I know, but not on purpose.

      In this order, I read
      1) Stuff people I chat with wrote
      2) Newest Nodes
      3) Questions

      Just out of personal interest.
      1) I want to know what my friends are up to
      2) I want the news
      3) I like to help

      and that's pretty much the order that they occur to me in. I know that PERSONALLY I am guilty in that such a system causes me to have to reevaluate how I use my votes, since typically, I blow them all like a kid with change in his pocket (OOOHHH, that's funny, OOOH, that's smart), and then I run out of votes in the afternoon, after lunch and my coffee is all gone, when I am saying, "DOH! I wish that I could vote this up. I'll have to tommorow." And then tommorow comes, and I burn up my votes, and it repeats.
RE: RE: (Ozymandias) RE: RE: Proposed XP System Changes
by nuance (Hermit) on Aug 04, 2000 at 01:03 UTC
    I don't look to see who wrote a node either before I vote on it. In fact I try not to let who the poster is affect which way I vote (if at all).

    Oh yeah and I try to read every node as well (just about still practical)


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