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Considering "no effort" questions

by DaWolf (Curate)
on Nov 22, 2003 at 21:31 UTC ( [id://309192]=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

I was looking on considering this node: Video Chat in Perl??????. I've seen many nodes being deleted because they show no effort, BUT a doubt hitted me: What if the question is extremely interesting? In this particular case the question is unique.

Althrough I probably won't use this information any time sooner, I've became curious about it.

So my question is: the "no effort" is a real criteria? Or questions like this one should be approved for the sake of bringing new and interesting information to PM?

Best regards,

my ($author_nickname, $author_email) = ("DaWolf","erabbott\@terra.com.br") if ($author_name eq "Er Galvão Abbott");

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Re: Considering "no effort" questions
by pg (Canon) on Nov 22, 2003 at 23:54 UTC

    I would think just consider it and let it stay. Couple of reasons:

    • As you said, the question itself might be legitimate and might even be interesting. Although there is no effort in the original post, but the effort in the replies could be helpful to others.
    • I would leave the decision to the person who post the reply to determine whether it worths their effort to reply. If we delete that original post, we take away the opportunity for people to make their own decision, and some of them might have really good answers.
    • Even though there might be no effort, but the thought itself could be quite interesting. Some people might not even know how to spend their effort, and where to start. A while ago, we had a thread about whether to teach people fishing or giving them fish. Maybe we can teach them how to fish in those "no effoort" cases?

    In general, I think it is better to keep things more open.

      <p> - for text; <code> - for code
Re: Considering "no effort" questions
by tcf22 (Priest) on Nov 22, 2003 at 21:47 UTC
    I was considering considering this node when I first saw it also, but really wasn't sure if it was the right thing to do. I think my feeling on this is, if it adds to the community, then it should be approved.

    This one appears to be a legitament question, no matter how little effort it shows, I think it should stay. If you don't like it, then you can -- it, but I don't think you should take the information that is in the replies away from the community.

    - Tom

      I agree with pg. In fact, I'd keep it even if it weren't interesting. I even think there should be a section for general discussion that might not even involve Perl. I don't see how that would hurt, and it would probably attract more users and donations. I've found that the ++ -- system is abused, but it does allow people who don't feel like typing to make a point...or at least a vote. With a voting system, deleting imperfect posts makes even less sense.

      Here is the most applicable of the "recommended usages for the consideration feature":

      Request that a node be deleted. Please only do this for blatant trolls (egregiously offensive) and true duplicates (where a post consisting of "I gave the same answer as some other monk but was slower" is not a duplicate). For useless, stupid, off-topic, and annoying nodes: if it is a root node, then don't approve it for any section; if it is a reply, just ignore it.

      I don't want to sound like I think there should be a voting system, but if there must be one, the rule that says "Each time you use all of your votes in a given day you will receive an experience point bonus" should be eliminated. That rule probably explains why I've received ++'s for ordinary questions that I've asked.

Re: Considering "no effort" questions
by Zaxo (Archbishop) on Nov 23, 2003 at 06:15 UTC

    Such an open question leaves room for lots of very good answers. The node you mention got a few, which all got my upvote. Edit and rewrite the whole business for Q&A if you must, but let the originals stand.

    We can't demand the rigorous levels of autodidacticism that we would of a postgraduate for every Query. IMO Perlmonks is for all levels of perl student. Let's act like we know that.

    Slack questions draw freely chosen answers. That is good.

    After Compline,
    Zaxo

Re: Considering "no effort" questions
by Anonymous Monk on Nov 23, 2003 at 06:54 UTC
    So my question is: the "no effort" is a real criteria?
    Yes. Perlmonks is largely about learning programming perl .... so while the question may come off a little lazy, that doesn't stop it from an opportunity to provide a lazy answer and win/lose some xp.
Re: Considering "no effort" questions
by BazB (Priest) on Nov 23, 2003 at 16:56 UTC

    Sometimes it's just as well to consider a node, as you did, with an appropriately questioning reason.

    If the question really is interesting, and you've hinted at that in the consideration reason, you'll usually find the Monastery will vote towards keep and at the same time the node will start to get some answers.

    If the question doesn't contain enough information or effort to stark discussion, it's likely to see more delete votes and the thread will die an early death.

    I sometimes consider nodes that look like they're interesting but potentially "no effort" to draw people's attention to it for keeping and getting answers, rather than for the more normal quick death.

    If you're not sure, consider it and let the Monastery decide - just let everyone understand your reasoning with the consideration text. Point other monks in the direction you want :-)
    You might draw the occassional flame, but this "tactic" should work in most cases.


    If the information in this post is inaccurate, or just plain wrong, don't just downvote - please post explaining what's wrong.
    That way everyone learns.

Re: Considering "no effort" questions
by Anonymous Monk on Nov 23, 2003 at 05:32 UTC
    If you do a casual search for "video" and "chat" you'll find it's not that unique.
Re: Considering "no effort" questions
by Anonymous Monk on Nov 23, 2003 at 21:50 UTC

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