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The "dead" saints

by johnnywang (Priest)
on Aug 15, 2004 at 18:52 UTC ( #383116=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

I've only been using this site for a little over a month, loving it very much, I'm still in the honeymoon period, therefore I show up here quite often. I came across the node Saints in our Book recently, and noticed there are many saints who have not logged into this site for a long time (e.g, over a year). I'm just curious what could the reason be? It's not that easy to be a saint in the first place, may be:
  • They are in a real honeymoon?
  • They all become python, PHP converts?
  • They got into trouble with the other saints and got thrown out of the thrine?
  • Do saints actually die?
your speculations, explanations?

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Re: The "dead" saints
by CountZero (Bishop) on Aug 15, 2004 at 19:20 UTC
    When you become a saint, surely all that (and more) will be revealed to you.

    And speaking about dead saints, remember: That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die!


    "If you have four groups working on a compiler, you'll get a 4-pass compiler." - Conway's Law

      When you become a saint ... all that ... will be revealed

      Hmm, I await the revelations :-)

        Have you had those revelations by now?

Re: The "dead" saints
by kvale (Monsignor) on Aug 15, 2004 at 20:06 UTC
    Although Saints can be mysterious in their ways, sometines more prosaic explanations suffice. Sadly real life doesn't respect the near-deity status of saints on perlmonks. Some are taken away from the site for weeks or months at a time. But many (most?) come back after a while.

    On the glass half full side, some saints here contribute almost continuous support to the Perlmonks community. I am in awe of their dedication and attention span.


Re: The "dead" saints
by blue_cowdawg (Monsignor) on Aug 15, 2004 at 20:19 UTC

    Bring out your dead!

    But I'm not dead yet!

    Sorry... couldn't resist... :-)

      Hm... what's the reply to that? I forgot..

      "YOU will be..." .. ??

      I haven't watched that in awhile...
        Luckily, the Internet is the content rich environment that it is...


Re: The "dead" saints
by bradcathey (Prior) on Aug 15, 2004 at 20:31 UTC

    "Dead" saints are "only mostly dead," not "all dead."

    "Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up." G. K. Chesterton
Re: The "dead" saints
by bassplayer (Monsignor) on Aug 16, 2004 at 06:16 UTC
    Sadly, a surprising number have been lost in rare gardening accidents.


      Yes, those rare gardens are pretty scary places---personally I blame it on the Victorians, the whole overgrown with wild things etc.


      "Never try to teach a pig to wastes your time and it annoys the pig."
Re: The "dead" saints
by Anonymous Monk on Aug 16, 2004 at 15:45 UTC
    Lately I've been coming back to PM to read the Meditations, but it's probably been over a year since I used Perl to do anything serious at work or at home, having fallen in love with Ruby. I'm especially fond of irb (the interactive Ruby shell). - Currently (Dead) Saint #122
Re: The "dead" saints
by Anonymous Monk on Aug 16, 2004 at 17:41 UTC

    I can't speak for the others, but I became a Python convert and (mostly) lost interest in Perl. I then proceeded to (mostly) lose interest in Python and now work with lower level languages.

    I haven't written any Perl code for quite some time, but still stop by here to take a look around every few months.


Re: The "dead" saints
by benn (Vicar) on Aug 19, 2004 at 11:50 UTC
    Synchronicity abounds! I've "been away" for many moons, attempting to control my online addictions - there's only so many sites I can waste work time on - and this is the first posting I notice :) Having been fixing a load of other people's PHP recently though, I can assure you that I've not been converted - if anything, it made me realise just what a lovely language Perl is :)
Re: The "dead" saints
by tbone1 (Monsignor) on Aug 17, 2004 at 12:49 UTC
    We could tell you ... but we'd have to kill you.

    tbone1, YAPS (Yet Another Perl Schlub)
    And remember, if he succeeds, so what.
    - Chick McGee

Re: The "dead" saints
by jdtoronto (Prior) on Aug 20, 2004 at 14:55 UTC
    Like many others I have also been drawn away from Perl for a time.

    Somebody wanted to pay me money to write some C and Assembler for some microcontrollers,

    Somebody else wanted simulation of microwave circuits.

    Somebody else wanted some Matlab/Simulink code

    Now somebody wants me to do a new web based application so I am back to Perl again.

    In the meantime the minions keep on coding, usually in Perl, fun part is that you don't know who my employees are do you! But some are here even when the saint from the office isn't.


Re: The "dead" saints
by bronto (Priest) on Aug 24, 2004 at 08:45 UTC

    Actually, I am surprised of those that are Saints before even being born. That is: how could one become Saint without writing even a single node?

    Uhmmmmm... yep, that's why Gods can make a Saint of everything :-)


    The very nature of Perl to be like natural language--inconsistant and full of dwim and special cases--makes it impossible to know it all without simply memorizing the documentation (which is not complete or totally correct anyway).
    --John M. Dlugosz

      Mystery might be fun, but I'll lift it: you get a minor amount of XP just for logging in consistently, and you get an appreciable amount of XP for voting. Someone once calculated that if you pop in and spend all your votes every day, you can become a saint in 8 months. Without ever writing a single node.

      That is no flaw in the system, btw: voting contributes to the site, and that's all XP means.

      It's also no flaw in the system because it's not particularly effective; you will gain more XP than you can get for a day's worth of votes from a single decent node. People have gotten to saint in about two months without any special effort. If that really was your goal, you could probably get there in two weeks just by writing a bunch of somewhat well formulated, subsequently frontpaged Meditations.

      Makeshifts last the longest.

      Just so you know, gods can't make someone a saint without giving them XP, and to the best of my knowledge that just doesn't happen. (Well, with one glaring and well known exception :-)


        First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
        -- Gandhi

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