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Re: I usually listen to...

by jonadab (Parson)
on Mar 16, 2005 at 17:26 UTC ( #440040=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^2: I usually listen to...
in thread I usually listen to...

Why don't you listen to something really classical, like Mozart, Mendelssohn, or Motörhead?

Bah. Classical "music" is almost totally devoid of any actual *music* (i.e., counterpoint). Occasionally some Classical composer would study the old greats and take a stab at putting some real counterpoint in (e.g., Mozart did a couple of times), but for the most part, it's all plain lame boring monomelodic humdrum mediocrity. The really *good* music was written before 1750.

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Re^2: I usually listen to...
by jhourcle (Prior) on Mar 16, 2005 at 17:35 UTC

    I guess I shouldn't be so subtle in my Red Dwarf quotes --

    Rimmer:
    What on Titan is this din?
    Lister:
    It's Rastabilly-Ska. Rasta Billy Skank
    Rimmer:
    {looks at CD}
    Is this it? It's got a health warning on it, you know. It's bad for you.
    Lister:
    It's a classic.
    Rimmer:
    {reads from CD} Danger. Government Health Warning. This music can make you irritable and irrational and has been linked to disorders of the nervous system and bowels.
    Lister:
    Rimmer, no one takes any notice of that stuff.
    Rimmer:
    Lister, if you want to dice with death, fine, but don't poison my sound waves. Off!
    {music stops}
    Rimmer:
    Why don't you listen to something really classical, like Mozart, Mendelssohn, or Motörhead?

    (Red Dwarf, Season 1, Episode 3, "Balance of Power")

    Update: I've checked the subtitles on the DVD, and adjusted the spelling. (of course, Rimmer clearly said in the next bit 'She used to look down on me -- she used to call me 'Rimmer'', and the subtitles said 'She looked down on me, called me 'Rimmer'' ('Rimmer'. 'Rimmer', to rhyme with 'scum'.) so I don't know if they're really authoritative

      See that is how good my accent understanding goes, I swore Lister said Rastabilly Skunk not Rastabilly Ska oh well.


      "No matter where you go, there you are." BB

        Yes Rastabilly Skank I think Rastabilly Skunk was something I got offered in Bristol. :0

        "No matter where you go, there you are." BB

      Don't be discouraged by differences in the subtitles. I have a DVD of The Matrix. In the training scene with the woman in the red dress where Morpheus says, "Some of these people are so dependent, so inured..." has some interesting quirks.

      1. People here all sorta different things for that scene, and most people don't know the word 'inured', so it gets misquoted all the time.
      2. The DVD's own subtitles say 'inert', which is both wrong and makes no sense.
      3. If you turn on your TV's Closed Captions, it says 'inured'! Ha! I guess people who listen for a living have better vocabularies.

      Your Red Dwarf set is fine. The guy/gal doing the subtitles was probably going from an earlier cut of the script and/or they deviated from the script in filming. Or who knows? Maybe it's an easter egg.

      --J

Re^2: I usually listen to...
by ChemBoy (Priest) on Mar 22, 2005 at 15:45 UTC

    See, I was going to write something cranky about calling Rachmaninoff "Classical", but you surpass me in cranky pedantry. However, if you're going to restrict "actual music" to being strictly contrapuntal, then no music was composed before 1550 or after 1750, except in theory classes. If you want to take that view, you're free to, of course, but you're missing out on a lot.



    If God had meant us to fly, he would *never* have given us the railroads.
        --Michael Flanders

      See, I was going to write something cranky about calling Rachmaninoff "Classical", but you surpass me in cranky pedantry.

      If you're going to go for the cranky pedantry effect, never do it halfway. If either your crankiness or your pedantry is borderline on sane, people will take you seriously, flame you, and other undesirable results. However, if you go completely over the top, it's obvious then that you're just being cranky and unreasonable, probably on purpose, which carries different nuances.

      However, if you're going to restrict "actual music" to being strictly contrapuntal,

      Oh, I didn't mean that. I only restrict "actual music" to _containing_ counterpoint; it doesn't have to consist _entirely_ of it.

      If you want to take that view, you're free to, of course, but you're missing out on a lot.

      Yes, I'm missing out on a lot, but a lot of _what_? A lot of cheesy, unimpressive, simplistic, pathetic excuses for music, that's what. I don't have time to listen to all the really good music as often as I'd like to, so why would I want to waste time listening to junk?

      (Technically, I'm exaggerating slightly. I do, in fact, listen to some music from other genres. But I find that too high a percentage of non-contrapunctal tracks bores me, and so I include generous amounts of baroque and other polyphonic works in my playlists. I can only listen to so many monomelodic tracks in a row without going crazy.)


      "In adjectives, with the addition of inflectional endings, a changeable long vowel (Qamets or Tsere) in an open, propretonic syllable will reduce to Vocal Shewa. This type of change occurs when the open, pretonic syllable of the masculine singular adjective becomes propretonic with the addition of inflectional endings."  — Pratico & Van Pelt, BBHG, p68
Re^2: I usually listen to...
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 07, 2005 at 14:09 UTC
    I completely agree. Can't stand anything from Telemann on, really. In fact, the really, *really good* music is of course written in 17th century Northern Germany...

    Although I do have a sweet spot for Ligeti (especially his piano etudes), Boulez, and Messiaen of course (the Livre d'Orgue is great, 64 Durées is a particularly good piece).

    Rhesa

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