in reply to DBI vs DBIx::Recordset vs princepawn vs chromatic
Surely you must realize that when you publish something, others are
free to review and criticize it as they see fit, with or without your
permission or your input. That's just life. If you have a rebuttal
to a review or criticism then submit it to the forum where that
criticism is published (and again, realize that they are under no
obligation to do anything). I think there are far more appropriate
ways to handle your discontent than to drag it over here and call it
a Perl Meditation.
Re: Re: DBI vs DBIx::Recordset vs princepawn vs chromatic
by PsychoSpunk (Hermit) on Mar 08, 2001 at 02:40 UTC
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danger, www.perl.com does
not lend itself to discussion as well as PM. Admittedly,
princepawn could have fought this battle out on the mailing
list turf where it appears to have begun. But then again,
from chromatic's entry, it appears that he wasn't aware
that he had been published in the mailing list in question.
I think that this is exactly the sort of thing Meditations
is designed for, though. In this case, it's a tad bit more
combative, but nonetheless it's designed to make you, the
viewer, think about the two sides here (everything has at
least two sides here) and decide which one is better for you,
the viewer.
I do not see this posting, or chromatic's reply as any
other sort of attack than a technical one. Sure it seems
personal at first glance, but when it comes down to it,
princepawn is evangelizing one side and chromatic is
rebutting. What's more natural? Do you eat everything that
your OS vendor spoonfeeds you? No, you're technical (assumption
based on the site's purpose) so you test to determine your
actual limitations.
I'm watching this because I find it fascinating, but I'm
reserving judgment until I feel like I can contribute. This
is a good meditation because it actually forces you to
consider choices.
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PsychoSpunk, I am not saying that a discussion of the relative
merits of two different ways of doing something isn't appropriate.
Unfortunately, that is not how the original post appears to my eyes.
Though it easily could have been written in such a fasion, instead
it appears as a defensive position for an article not published here,
against a criticism, also not published here. This kind of defensive
posturing is hardly conducive to open minded discussion and more like
a pissing match (even if only one party is actually pissing). If princepawn
merely wanted to open a discussion about the relative merits of
DBIx::Recordset vs. DBI, and evangelize the former, why bring in the
excess baggage of the article and criticism in the first place
(because, it appears, he didn't come to open a discussion about
DBIx::Recordset vs DBI, he came to defend his article -- and his
follow-up to chromatic looks like more of the same). I don't know
about you, but thus far I haven't seen anything really new here beyond
arguments for, and restatements of, the original perl.com article's content.
I am glad you find it so fascinating though.
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danger, not having seen the initial post on the mailing
list that spurred this is why I feel this is a better forum.
If we are to choose between the two sides, it's better for
us to understand the complaints of each side. If this means
restating that which has already been stated, then it is a
necessary evil to endure for those who have seen every step
previously taken.
princepawn has chosen the items he wishes to address,
and although I am not going to argue that he is not being
combative, I am going to state that it seems that he's not
trying to instantiate a pissing contest beyond the scope of
his article's arguments. (What exactly constitutes the
difference between a pissing contest and an argument anyway?)
His article does, by its nature (and obvious outcome that
has brought us here), induces discussion about the two, and
of course he's going to take a defensive stand on his beliefs
regarding all of this. I don't think you've given him or
this thread enough time to get to the point. (And princepawn
has a tendency to be a bit abrasive until he wins or loses).
So yes, given that chromatic takes him to task, or that
princepawn provides useful information that proves his point,
this thread is fascinating, given that I like to be aware of
solutions that I use in my everyday life. I am siding on the
DBI camp right now, simply because I use it and would have to
be convinced that princepawn's solution is better. I am
not convinced because of my own complaints about the
technical details stated in the perl.com article.
I hope you can understand my fascination now. It's not
one of awe, but more of technical value. When you have a
schedule that doesn't leave time for infinite research (I'm
reading other technical things right now and really don't
think that the Recordset has been proven to me, so why go
spend the requisite 2 hours becoming intimately familiar
with it?), these types of Meditations can act as sidebars to
supplement your plan.
ALL HAIL BRAK!!!
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