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Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:

by jacques (Priest)
on Jun 24, 2008 at 19:22 UTC ( [id://693810]=poll: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

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[bar] 100/16%
[bar] 64/10%
[bar] 7/1%
[bar] 5/1%
[bar] 3/0%
[bar] 10/2%
[bar] 7/1%
[bar] 15/2%
Window washers
[bar] 8/1%
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Soda/Snack refillers
[bar] 11/2%
Human resources director
[bar] 58/9%
Administrative assistant
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Security guard
[bar] 12/2%
Parking attendant
[bar] 5/1%
Nothing but geeks here
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I work alone
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I love everybody
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What job?
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636 total votes
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Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by hangon (Deacon) on Jun 24, 2008 at 23:17 UTC

    Ever have one of those days when you just didn't like anyone?

    package Job; sub new_day { my $job = shift; my $self = {}; my @management_team = ( $Useless::CorporateWeasel, $Backstabbing::MiddleManager, $FaceSmiling::Ladderclimber, $Insipid::MarketingDrone, $PHB ); $self->{score} = push @offa_roof, @management_team; foreach (@Luser){ push @outta_window; $self->{score}++; } if ($self->{score} > 1){ $self->{status} = "Happy"; bless $self, $job; } return $self; }
      I suppose @Luser is in global scope?
Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by apl (Monsignor) on Jun 24, 2008 at 22:21 UTC
    I voted for Boss, which is sad. My entire chain of management is composed of former programmers who, once they became managers, completely forgot what had made them good programmers.
      Is this pretty much standard, then?

      You've just described the last two shops i've worked at, and i have so many more years to go!

        The skillset, priorities and demands of a programmer are very different than those of a manager. You know you need to do regression testing (for example); he knows that Marketing has made a committment for a certain date. Something has to give.

        I understand that, but believe a truly great manager would be able to keep a foot in both camps. (Not that I should talk; I can't manage others to save my life).

      apl said: …completely forgot what had made them good programmers.

      Yes, and then they (or their employers) forget that management is a skill that has to be acquired. This shows all the logic of assuming that Mike Tyson would make a good boxing referee.

      Information about American English usage here and here. Floating point issues? Please read this before posting. — emc

        _The Peter Principle_ gets demonstrated repeatedly on a regular basis. 8-)
Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by Cloudster (Novice) on Jun 24, 2008 at 22:46 UTC
    My boss is a former geek, but he's not really in tune with what's going on. He wants to retire one of our old production systems (after it moves on to another platform) and is trying to retrain all of us on the new platform, thinking that we won't have anything to do when the old platform is switched off. 95%+ of our time is not on the old platform, so we just have to wonder why the retraining? FYI, the old system is rock-solid and doesn't need a lot of support. Learning new stuff is cool and all, but if we're busy doing other things, how is this supposed to work?
Disliked: Sales?
by pjf (Curate) on Jun 25, 2008 at 03:50 UTC

    I love everyone at my workplace, but given where I work, that's not hard.

    In previous jobs, my least liked people always seemed to have had "Sales" in their title, and seemed to use a completely orthogonal set of ethics.

      Sales and Marketing is the most annoying group.

      Arrogance combined with low ethics and often poor expertise is their main behaviour.

        For people who bill themselves as those who "execute" they sure have nothing before and after the follow through.
Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by punch_card_don (Curate) on Jun 27, 2008 at 21:02 UTC
    I have in my lifetime had the opportunity (or misfortune, depending on how you look at it) to occupy just about every level of job on the list. From summer jobs as a factory janitor, to the research scientist locked away in his lab, to the technical sales rep who spends Monday to Friday in hotels hawking the product, to the upper manager hanging out in the board room, to the landlord/repair man who owns the building.

    And I can tell you, every job and the people that surround it, sucks in its own way.

    When you're the janitor, everyone thinks you're dirt, or stupid, or both. Most of them wouldn't lower themselves to earning an honest day's pay bending their back and dirtying their hands.

    When you're the science geek, all the non-geeks think that being a geek is what defines you. You're an object of humour. But they'll go home and watch their plasma TV and not give a thought to the geeks who slaved in anonymity discovering what plasma is in the first place.

    When you're the sales rep, you're just a blowhard shark in most peoples' eyes. But who else has the guts to go out there and get rejected over and over and over again, spend his life living out of a suitcase, making sure that the bucks that keep them all employed keep rolling in?

    When you're the manager, you're an idiot. Everyone knows how to do your job better than you. Everyone knows what the real priorities should be. Yep, everyone's an armchair quarterback, adn they don't realize that middle management is just about the most unenvious job there is on the planet, where you're squeezed beteen upper management demanding results, and the whining masses balking because they're convinced you've risen above your abilities.

    Forget that fear of gravity,
    Get a little savagery in your life.
      Each position is necessary for the survival of the entity, but not each person. ;) I've had similar varied experience. Shouldn't everyone be able to wear the currently required hat, without ego?
      Bravo, punch_card_don! A hearty 'hear, hear' for this post. I've been most of them too. I've probably also been everybody's favorite doggy fireplug at one time or another. I've built companies and once I was the @hole who tore one apart.

      We all slowly make our way up the spiral, and one man's wisdom is another's used toilet paper. Value is in the eye of the beholder, and I find it useful to remind myself that, no matter how stupid any given decision (or person) seems to be, the company usually has enough to send me a check every two weeks.

      Don Wilde
      "There's more than one level to any answer."
Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by derby (Abbot) on Jun 25, 2008 at 13:10 UTC

    Yeah ... marketing is definitely missing from the list. There's a real fine line between good marketing and lying.

Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by dwhite20899 (Friar) on Jun 26, 2008 at 00:58 UTC
    Just one Janitor - the one guy who has no problem unplugging the first thing he sees to run his vacuum. Once I figured out he was crashing my systems, I bought my own orange extension cord to hang right inside the door, just to be his power point.

    But he's still crashing other people...

      Being the asshole I am, I'd have rigged up some sort of ink bomb so that once he unplugged the plug he was covered in puke and snot green ink with a pungent odor added for that extra bit of love :-)

Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by deliria (Chaplain) on Jun 25, 2008 at 08:18 UTC

    I'm going to have to go with The "Marketing/Sales" guy we have over here.

    It's a guy who asks for demo's for everything, but fails to comprehend how the solution can be applied in a business, so the devs end up selling our stuff :D Also, for some reason he thinks himself too worthy to load/unload the dishwasher.

    </end rant>

Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by tom10animal (Monk) on Jun 26, 2008 at 02:37 UTC

    Yesterday at work, I had one of the bosses for the power company that my company is doing a fish study for come up and ask me if her electrical engineering intern who has no experience with Perl (or computers in general), biology, or field work, could tag along with me for the day. I guess I could have her carry the backpack with the computer and other equipment in it, row the boat (electrical noise from two-stroke boat motors interferes with radio telemetric data reception) or watch while my script translates the data files.

    The thing is, all the "hard" work is done, i.e. writing and testing the script to interperet the data, setting up the data receiving equipment, and tagging the fish, so to an outsider who's footing the bill for this study it doesn't look like a lot is going on right now, especially since the data won't mean a lot until the study is complete. Oh well, enough ranting, I guess I'll have to put on a dog and pony show for the power company so they'll continue to keep me employed.

    Tom "Turkey" Schaffer ( : >~

Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by diamond (Acolyte) on Jun 25, 2008 at 12:48 UTC
    My least favorite are the geek posers.
Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by tubaandy (Deacon) on Jun 25, 2008 at 18:22 UTC
    I'm pretty surprised scientists and professors are on here. They are definitely geeks in their field, although a decent number of them are also nerds. Then again, the professors I'm thinking of are chemsitry, physics, comp sci, engineering. Even the music professors I know are geeks for the most part (messing with MIDI helps with that).

Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by johngg (Canon) on Jun 25, 2008 at 22:51 UTC
    The people that get up my nose the most are the Health & Safety representatives who keep wasting people's time by pestering them to complete meaningless questionaires. These are designed to check that you can sit at your computer properly. Apparently, UK law mandates that you do an annual survey for every computer you use, each comprising fifty banal questions like, "Do you receive, or have you ever received, electric shocks from your computer equipment?" As if I'm going to wait for an annual survey to bring that to someone's attention ;-/



Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by Tux (Canon) on Jun 25, 2008 at 07:18 UTC

    I voted window washers in lack of "Cleaning staff" in general. They want to clean my desk while I work!

    Enjoy, Have FUN! H.Merijn

      You have windows!

Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by pileofrogs (Priest) on Jun 25, 2008 at 16:19 UTC

    I voted for users.

    Nothing jars me out of a good groove like someone on the phone who doesn't understand what a directory is. I mean, I probably wouldn't know what a directory was either if my career was as un-computer as some of the people here, but it makes my brain hurt to speed up and slow down at the same time like that...

Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by stonecolddevin (Parson) on Jun 26, 2008 at 05:44 UTC

    I'm not a fan of much about my job right now (lifeguarding).

    But I mostly hate whiners that don't want to take your spot on the water slide because it's "too cold". If only I'd have had the luxury of saying such a thing.

    I can't wait until I can develop websites for a living and make more than I ever had freelancing.

Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by BioNrd (Monk) on Jun 27, 2008 at 03:39 UTC

    Has anyone meet a scientist or a professor that was not geeky about their specific topic of interest. (from wiki "a peculiar or otherwise odd person, especially one who is perceived to be overly obsessed with one or more things including those of *intellectuality*, electronics, gaming, etc.") As a grad student, I am surrounded by scientist and professors, and they are some of the biggest geeks I know (as a scientist I include myself in that bunch). Just because you can't code in perl, or speak the parlance many of you can, does not mean you lack geekdom. I (somewhat like tubaandy in a post above) am slightly offended that they even made the list of "non-geeks"...But I am happy to see they are not getting many votes :)


    ---- Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

      Has anyone meet a scientist or a professor that was not geeky about their specific topic of interest.

      Abso-freakin-lutely. I've met:

      1. A professor of biology who was (thankfully) ultimately fired because he (a)stopped keeping up with the state of his profession after achieving tenure, and (b)slowly forgot even some fairly basic biology. He was actually imparting misinformation to his students.
      2. A political science professor who insisted that the modern Republican party were on the "far left" of the political spectrum, but refused to explain that position.
      3. A neuroscientist that believes in Facilitated Communication (which has been thoroughly debunked by the neuroscience community on mechanistic grounds, and by skeptics of many stripes on "it has failed every controlled test" grounds).

      And that's just in recent memory. Just like with programmers, there are a lot of professors and scientists that entered their field for some reason other than interest/love, and either fake it or only do well enough not to get ousted.

      Ramblings and references
      “A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.” Herm Albright
      I haven't found a problem yet that can't be solved by a well-placed trebuchet

        The worst professor story I've heard happened to a friend, who was called stupid by an English professor for (if I recall) something pretty basic, like asking for extra some help.

        Of course, I was an engineering student, who started at IIT, where there was one tenured faculty spot in all the humanities department (which grouped, as I recall, English, History, and foreign languages).

        Some of the science, engineering, and mathematics faculty were decidedly odd, like the physics professor who started the semester by jumping up on a desk and proclaiming his name, and never erased the (double-hung) blackboards during class, instead relying on multiple colors of chalk. One was a fan of Velikovsky. Another would smoke while he taught, lighting a cigarette, taking a puff, and then standing it on its filter, never touched again; instead, he would repeat this with a second cigarette.

        Information about American English usage here and here. Floating point issues? Please read this before posting. — emc

Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by Porculus (Hermit) on Jun 27, 2008 at 21:48 UTC

    I voted "Boss".

    I wasn't thinking of my actual boss, who is awesome: a woman in her early 60s who's been using computers since before I was born, and loves to reminisce about the good old days before UNIX.

    Nope, what I was thinking of was the people "above" her. The corporate bullshit-pushers who judge software based on how good the food was when the vendor took them out for dinner, and spend all their time synergizing blue-sky paradigm cascades instead of doing an honest day's work. The MBA monkeys who hate the Perl programmers whose miraculous feats of productivity support the entire business, because we don't fit into the neat Java worldview they want to believe in.

    Man, I could almost get bitter about it sometimes. :)

Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by wolfger (Deacon) on Jun 25, 2008 at 19:10 UTC

    I can't believe somebody voted "spouse". If your spouse is your least-favorite geek, and you also work with your spouse, you need a divorce and a new job.

Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by parv (Parson) on Jun 25, 2008 at 06:18 UTC
    What, no "other" option? There are no people to hate around here, other than the meetings & such in the morning.
Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by Moriarty (Abbot) on Jun 25, 2008 at 13:00 UTC

    I don't really have a least favorite at my job. It's the clueless clients that give me trouble.

Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by menolly (Hermit) on Jun 25, 2008 at 18:00 UTC

    I like nearly all my coworkers, but there's a couple of guys in sales...ugh. M. has no volume control and no sense of humor. He is a loud, angry man, and I don't quite know how he managers to actually sell anything; I guess our product really is just that good. P. is his boss, and relatively new, but has already gotten off on the wrong foot with our department by taking over the cubespace that was supposed to be ours. It was laid out so we would not be shoulder-surfable and could see when people walk up to us. But the space allotted to sales wasn't good enough for him, so we got the boot. Now we make do with mirrors. B. in marketing can be kind of loud and obnoxious, too, but pales in comparison with the others.

    In the end, though, if the worst I have to complain of is a few loudmouths, I'd say it's a great workplace. The other folks in sales and marketing are great. Almost everyone here is a geek of some sort, right up to the exec level.

Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by pajout (Curate) on Jun 25, 2008 at 09:31 UTC
    Talkative people.

    They just walks through the company and talks, stealing time of everybody else. They do not produce any documents, because, I suspect, it needs thinking when something created in written form. They think like "I spoke it with somebody. He said it is possible to do it. It means it will be done somehow". They never can say (sic!) what they really want.

    Talkative people are correlated with managers, because they are not able to do anything real (I have met excellent managers too, of course). They are lethal poison of good atmosphere in the company.

    I left that company.

Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by Shfengoli (Initiate) on Jun 28, 2008 at 18:23 UTC
    They didn't have welders, so I picked Human Resouces, which is my second choice.
Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by monarch (Priest) on Jun 25, 2008 at 20:43 UTC
    I would have voted for that IT guy wearing the cowboy hat and spurs.. there's too many fakes pretending to be "geeks". If there's anyone to be abhorred, it is them.
Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by herveus (Prior) on Jun 27, 2008 at 12:27 UTC

    ...well, Boss^3...

Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by sandeepbharmoria (Beadle) on Jul 02, 2008 at 05:39 UTC
Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by sabari (Beadle) on Jul 08, 2008 at 08:29 UTC
    I love every one in my work place .
    Best Regards, S.Sabarinathan,
Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by mike_smith809 (Initiate) on Jul 09, 2008 at 16:27 UTC
    Has to be administrative because they have locked me out of everything
Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by crashtest (Curate) on Jul 02, 2008 at 22:41 UTC

    I voted security guard. Here's my anecdote:

    One morning, I am on my way in to work and just as I reach the door I realize I left my badge (which opens the door) in my car. The car is a four-minute walk away. As I am cursing to myself, our a.m. security guard walks around the corner.

    This guard...

    1. ... has seen me every weekday for roughly two years.
    2. ... has been working at my building about half as long as I have been working there.

    I ask her to let me in. She refuses.

    This happened a little under a year ago. I have not spoken a word of greeting or otherwise to her since. My consolation is that if you perform your job like a robot, it won't be long until a robot replaces you.

      Sorry to bust your rant, but as a security geek, I can tell you that security guard did exactly the right thing.

      The guard's job is not to make sure they know everyone who enters the building, it's their job to help prevent unauthorized (not un-authenticated) access. She had no way of knowing for sure that you still work there.

      There are plenty of stories of guards who did the "nice thing" and let someone in, only to discover later that person had been terminated and had come back to mess with hardware or cause other damage. I've even had to clean up after some of those messes.

      Instead of snubbing her, you should be thanking her for doing her job.

      Ramblings and references
      “A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.” Herm Albright
      I haven't found a problem yet that can't be solved by a well-placed trebuchet

        Ha! Spoken like a true engineer. You'll see in my OP I did not fault her for doing her job, I am faulting her for doing her job like a robot. She is doing exactly the right thing. Since she is so predictable, I can probably write a Perl script that emulates her to a T.

        There is more context than I have inclination to provide, including the fact that my work is not all that sensitive, that the area in general is not that secure, and that my capacity to do damage is governed by my access to company servers and network, not physical access to the office building. All items that a human being can take into account, and a list of rules cannot.

        I think in general it bothers me because I see this fascination in America with rules, process and automation, to the detriment of human relations and using your brain. People jump at the opportunity to shirk responsibility and decision-making.


      I'd have to agree with brother radiantmatrix here -- the security guard's job is to guard. She did her job, so I'm guessing it's more like a customer service issue.

      You didn't say what happened after that, but I would hope she followed up with "Did you forget your pass?" and start the procedure to get someone authorized to vouch for you and let you in, and/or set you up with a temporary pass after confirming that you are authorized to enter this secure area.

      Or you could have smiled and said, "You know what -- I'll just go back to my car and get my pass." She might even have let you in at that point. Or not.

      Alex / talexb / Toronto

      "Groklaw is the open-source mentality applied to legal research" ~ Linus Torvalds

Re: Least favorite non-geek(s) at my job:
by sathiya.sw (Monk) on Nov 19, 2008 at 13:53 UTC
    I voted for, and i love every one in my work place.

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