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Huffington Post: "Let's Do Away With Anonymous Posting"

by sundialsvc4 (Abbot)
on Jun 28, 2013 at 14:59 UTC ( #1041268=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

In this article, “Let’s Do Away With Anonymous Posting,” Anthony Hatcher argues against, not only the use of truly anonymous postings, but apparently even the use of monikers and user-names.   I thought that you might find it interesting, as I did, even though I don’t entirely agree.

(Plus, Anonymous Monk is, I believe, the third highest-ranking non-crowned Pope?)

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Re: Huffington Post: "Let's Do Away With Anonymous Posting"
by SuicideJunkie (Vicar) on Jun 28, 2013 at 16:06 UTC

    Unfortunately, due to reasons noted earlier (Re^2: Proposal: eliminate down-votes) I must downvote the OP.

    The horse you are beating is dead. Its not pining, its passed on. Expired and gone to meet its maker. Off the twig, kicked the bucket, shuffled off this mortal coil!

Re: Huffington Post: "Let's Do Away With Anonymous Posting"
by Happy-the-monk (Canon) on Jun 28, 2013 at 16:24 UTC

    It's a free monastery, it would be foolish to try to stop a monk from collecting downvotes,...
    after that's already been tried and he's asking for it again and again and again...

    Cheers, Sören

    (hooked on the Perl Programming language)

Re: Huffington Post: "Let's Do Away With Anonymous Posting"
by LanX (Bishop) on Jun 28, 2013 at 15:15 UTC
    Why do you open a new thread again???


    You know what? Plz don't answer!

    I'll downvote you right away!

    Cheers Rolf

    ( addicted to the Perl Programming Language)


    a small super search selection of similar PMD threads you started

    written by any of sundialsvc4 2013-06-28 sundialsvc4 Huffington Post: "Let's Do Away With An +onymous Posting" PMD 2013-06-10 sundialsvc4 (Toward a better PerlMonks) Who do we s +erve, and why, and how can we do it better? PMD 2013-03-18 sundialsvc4 Once again ... is it time to get rid of + the Anonymous Monk? PMD 2012-05-31 sundialsvc4 Proposal: eliminate down-votes PMD 2011-11-30 sundialsvc4 We should elminate: Anonymous, and DOWN +-voting PMD

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Re: Huffington Post: "Let's Do Away With Anonymous Posting"
by CountZero (Bishop) on Jun 29, 2013 at 12:09 UTC
    Interesting, but utterly irrelevant and non-convincing.


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Re: Huffington Post: "Let's Do Away With Anonymous Posting"
by hdb (Monsignor) on Jun 29, 2013 at 13:06 UTC

    Not sure where the Huffington Post is located, but even in that distant quarters they must have heard, that in the age of PRISM and Tempora there is no such thing as anonymous posting anymore.

Re: Huffington Post: "Let's Do Away With Anonymous Posting"
by OfficeLinebacker (Chaplain) on Jul 05, 2013 at 18:33 UTC
    This is the first time I've seen this discussion on PM, so as someone who's interested in the concept of anonymous contributions on the internet, I'd like to know where's the place this discussion is actually happening.

      I'm not sure what you're looking for, the topic has been discussed here many times, see links in existing responses to this thread.

        The only links I found were to other posts by the OP, showing his affinity for attracting downvotes, but no links to actual previous discussions of the HuffPost article. Am I missing something?
Re: Huffington Post: "Let's Do Away With Anonymous Posting"
by pemungkah (Priest) on Jan 23, 2014 at 04:00 UTC
    (Please note that I am posting a personal observation, and it would be nice if you responded with where you think I've got it wrong instead of simply downvoting. I realize that there may be things that I do not know about, and would appreciate being informed. Note that ridicule and name-calling inform me only as to your level of couth.)

    There will always be divisive topics on which people will be tempted to post anonymously because the things that they post in response to these topics might reflect badly upon them. If the Anonymous Monk did not exist, these folks probably wouldn't post; but because it does, there's a route to post anything at all because there's no way that anyone can know who it was.

    I have heard the reasons that people want to retain anonymous posting. I will say I understand them but personally view them more as excuses than solid reasons. Many of the reasons that aren't excuses have real technical solutions. For instance, if you're worried about signing in because your credentials might be stolen, then we should get https: working. I've also heard that "signing in takes too long when I want to post a quick response". If the login adds so much time to the total time needed to post, then the login feature is astoundingly slow and needs technical help.

    There are technical options that would still permit anonymous posters to post without their being able to misbehave with impunity. The best, in my mind, would be updating nodes to allow the originator to assert "the anonymous user may not reply to this node" and make child nodes in the thread inherit this setting. This alters the posting model to be more like Twitter's - if I don't want you to see your posts, I block you, and you don't get to post on my threads. You may choose to block me in response. If you're the Anonymous Monk, you don't get to block anyone. If someone chooses to block the Anonymous Monk, they may do so; this means that any responders must sign in to post on that person's threads. This makes the situation self-regulating; people who love anonymous replies can have them, people who don't may choose to not have them. If someone doesn't feel like investing in a login to respond to a "no anonymous replies" node, then that is their choice. Every poster controls their environment - except the Anonymous Monk, who, because they have chosen the advantage of anonymity, loses the ability to block comments on their nodes. If a user's nodes automatically inherited their "allow anonymous responses" setting, that would be extra-nice, but I'd settle for checking a "disallow anonymous responses" box.

    So in this scenario, everyone wins. The people who dislike anonymous responses don't have to see them; trolls can be banned from one's threads simply by adding them to your block list, and people who prefer the older "anyone can say anything any way they want" can have that to just by leaving some boxes unchecked.

    The true lack here at Perlmonks is the will to find a way to make behaving badly difficult and unrewarding, and the empathy to realize that being on the receiving end of it is acutely painful. This is not a technical issue, but a cultural one - and as such, given the culture, is unlikely to change. There's no way for a motivated outsider to contribute a technical step toward preventing abuse of the Anonymous Monk without having been accepted into the site maintenance group - and the likelihood of this happening if someone has expressed dissatisfaction with the social dynamic is low.

    This is a technical suggestion; nonetheless, I expect a lot of emotional responses for the reasons I listed.

    TL;DR: In a conservative culture, it's practically impossible to effect change.

      You trivialize dissenting arguments as “excuses,” you ignore two major reasons anonymous posting is sensible: 1) low barrier to entry, 2) throwaway accounts are functionally anonymous anyway, you say we should get https working but have not offered to fix it or the clear text passwords, you left out the only sensible item put forward recently: separate anonymous posters from each other, you claim your cultural and social argument is purely technical, and you proactively paint any rebuttal as "emotional" instead of possibly rational and reasonable; this last one is why I reply and vote. This is the Internet. And the anonymous monk’s worst behavior does not even approach what passes for normal on Yahoo, YouTube, or any other site with major forums.

      tl;dr --

        This ^^.

        The Anonymonks here are making above average posts on the internet compared to people with pseudonyms or even real names attached. Removing them would make the world a worse place.

      this means that any responders must sign in to post on that person's threads.

      The fallacy there is that the OP owns the thread. But posters only own their own posts. At best, the poster could say she doesn't want anonymous replies to her own posts.

      Of course, this is just an engrained convention. We could change it, given sufficient "political will". I predict that perlmonks will never have it.

      I reckon we are the only monastery ever to have a dungeon stuffed with 16,000 zombies.

      ... new suggestion ...

      If you want real consideration of your inherit-alllowable-anonymous idea, a seperate "clean" monkdiscuss would yield better consideration/discussion ....

Re: Huffington Post: "Let's Do Away With Anonymous Posting"
by sundialsvc4 (Abbot) on Jun 28, 2013 at 16:21 UTC

    Feel free.   Down-vote away ... I am indifferent to them.   I simply posted a link to a comment, on an altogether unrelated forum, that I found to be interesting.   Nothing more or less.

    The thread of comments subsequently made by HuffPo participants, are also interesting and varied.

      Feel free. Down-vote away ... I am indifferent to them.

      And that's the root of the problem. You state you don't care about the votes, and thus our opinions, and yet you try to change our opinions again and again. Is it really so hard to see the disconnect?

        Caring about our respective (grammatically speaking) opinions and caring about votes are two separate things. Just because they are often related does not mean they are always related. I do not see any disconnect. If he really cared about votes, he would post anonymously. Instead, he posts as himself, taking the hit.

        The article was actually somewhat interesting and it reminded me of a commercial site I used to frequent that switched forums. In the new one, for those of us with beta access, instead of nicknames, our real names were displayed. It was a bit disconcerting, but it was also interesting to note how much more civil people were. Of course, nicknames were implemented before it went life, with the expected results.

        And yeah, this crusade is wearing thin. But as per Do Not Feed the Trolls!!! and "They've got a cave troll!" you guys are in-effect enablers at this point. So, can you do it? Can you, LanX, et. al. actually ignore his next crusade post?? Hmm?

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      You are acting like a petulant child who's just discovered that saying "shit" in front of his parents provokes a reaction.

      It might mean a smack or being grounded, but any attention is good attention.

      Most of us go through it, but grow out of it around say 4 or 5.

      With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
      Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
      "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
      In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.
      Bullshit. If it's merely "a comment, on an altogether unrelated forum, that [you] found to be interesting", then how, pray tell, is it related to Perl or PerlMonks?

      The obvious answer is that it's a continuation of your tireless tilting at the windmill of anonymous posting on this forum. That is substantially more than just pointing out an interesting comment elsewhere on the net.

      On the other hand, if it really is nothing more than a randomly-interesting comment on an unrelated forum that has nothing to do with Perl or PerlMonks, then it's off-topic for this site.

      Either way, your insistence on flogging this greasy patch on the ground which may have once resembled a horse leads me to suspect that you're a bigger troll here than Anonymous Monk ever was. So, if the purpose is to get rid of trolls, how about we do away with posting by sundialsvc4 instead?

      sundialsvc4: Ban me, you know you want to, I don't care for xp or forum rules
        I don't care what you pontiff might think!   I dominated worst nodes of the year and   I   will soon rule it again   and nobody will  stop  us now!

        Feel free.   Down-vote away ...

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