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Re: Re: Re: Ignorant Article

by l2kashe (Deacon)
on Feb 18, 2003 at 17:06 UTC ( #236312=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re: Re: Ignorant Article
in thread Ignorant Article

Only slight offense intended here.

I've read the page in question, as well as this thread. There is this thing called personal opinion, and free speech. There is also this other thing called respect.

Irregarless of how great you or other think your code/repository is, no one has the right to stomp in and start b**chslapping monks around and flaming. I have massive respect for merlyn or tye, who have been around the block a bit more than most I would guess. Why do you ask, because even if they know the intracacies of whatever piece of a problem space I may be having an issue with, I have yet to see them once state to someone else that they are stupid, dumb, ignorant, etc..

The reason this particular community is so great is directly related to that. Not that an advanced monk knows more, and keeps the little guys down, but rather that they are always willing to help and pull up the next saint-to-be. This whole community works because people "RESPECT" each other as developers and as human beings, instead of defining the relationship as someone at the far end of a text box.

So you can keep your code, your respository, and your opinions to yourself if the only way you can manage to talk is flaming. If you can manage to communicate like an adult about the timeframe your article was posted, what the 'net was like at that point, the fact that the page was part of a larger article, and what you were trying to get across, you might actually get decent feedback.

Thank you very much and find another URL

/* And the Creator, against his better judgement, wrote man.c */

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Ignorant Article
by Anonymous Monk on Feb 18, 2003 at 17:23 UTC
    It is 1:16 in Malaysia where I am, so I will definitely stop after this. :)

    12kashe, you're right that I should not have let the posters before me, who were attacking me personally, get me riled. Just water under th bridge right?

    You are right in this.

    Unfortunately, I am just so sick and tired of this kind've post and needed a bit of vent.

    Sadly, it is the lack of respect that you state as being foundational to the community which I believe was there in the beginning but which is no longer there, that has finally driven me out of the perl community altogether.

    The irony is that I was just speaking to an old time friend who was trying to convince me in his own way, to come back and I was actually thinking about it.

    Then I get unsolicited mail from one of the monks telling me to read this thread. So I did, and it really hurt my feelings.

    So, fine. I reacted poorly, you are right. Nevertheless, I have other things to do.

    Next time, when someone starts a thread about someone else's work as "Ignorant" maybe you will step in a bit sooner beacuse, regardless of the fact that I should not have 'continued' it, it was lack of respect that started this.

      Thanks for coming back and stating this.

      Your right that it can be painful when your personal work is targeted. Your also right it can be difficult to bite your tongue, especially when you feel strongly that the initiator doesn't know what they are talking about.

      But we honestly do have a fairly solid, understanding community here. Its the reason I actually created an account here, and continue coming back day after day. Perlmonks really is a breath of fresh air compared to many of the communities out there.

      So I'm glad you cleared the air, and I'm sorry I was so blunt. I just simply couldn't allow the thread to continue in that manner.

      On a side note, I think the article was fairly accurate. While there have been improvements (mod_perl, fastcgi, et all) the state problems, and the server load haunted admins for a long time. Also alot of CGI in the wild was one persons code, copied and pasted in alot of places, and not really optomized for the environment it was in, nor the language it was written in.

      Sorry to leave a bad taste in your mouth, but maybe you should troll around a bit and see what we have to offer. One case in point is a new monk xmath. He dived right in the first day here creating a new module along the lines of Dumper, with nothing out there scratching his itch. Since then he was asked why reinvent that wheel, why not patch existing modules, etc.. Now I believe a portion of the monks here are actively helping to debug and extend the module. Such is life in the monastary, as it should be.

      sub nit { print "Its L2Kashe\nThink processors :)\n"; }

      happy hacking

      /* And the Creator, against his better judgement, wrote man.c */

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