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RE: RE: RE:(7) Reputation Viewing Option?

by Boogman (Scribe)
on Aug 31, 2000 at 01:09 UTC ( [id://30406]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to RE: RE:(7) Reputation Viewing Option?
in thread Reputation Viewing Option?

I think the problem with what your proposing is that it lets people know what other people think about a node before they vote on it. I think the general concensus has been that this is a bad thing because it might sway votes one way or another. So i think you would have to have an extra voting option one way or the other. Currently, after you vote on a node it shows the number. I think what has been suggested is something where a node would act as if you had voted for it, except the reputation wouldn't change one way or another. Perhaps visual cues would be better than the number, but I don't think we should get them before we have voted on the node, or decided that we're not going to vote on it...

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RE: RE: RE: RE:(7) Reputation Viewing Option?
by KM (Priest) on Aug 31, 2000 at 17:12 UTC
    I think the problem with what your proposing is that it lets people know what other people think about a node before they vote on it.

    And this is different from other proposing showing the actual rep count? I think it can be useful to know what others think about a node (for learning or voting), just not by showing the actual rep.

    So i think you would have to have an extra voting option one way or the other.

    Well, I think it will help people using the site zero in on what may be most helpful. The goal of the site (from my understanding) is to help people learn, not about votes, XP, and levels. This isn't a MUD, it is a learning tool.

    but I don't think we should get them before we have voted on the node, or decided that we're not going to vote on it...

    The first part of this statement echoes what I have said. When I decide not to vote on a node I don't want to have to vote that I don't want to vote on the node :) I simply think knowing what people are seeing as 'better' posts could be useful for people using the site to learn. Seeing the actual number is not needed to accomplish this. And, seeing a rep count to decide if you will vote on it isn't good voting practice. Why vote because of how others do? Vote on posts based on you're own opinion of that post.

    Cheers,
    KM

      I think the problem with what your proposing is that it lets people know what other people think about a node before they vote on it.

      And this is different from other proposing showing the actual rep count? I think it can be useful to know what others think about a node (for learning or voting), just not by showing the actual rep.

      As I have said more than once in this thread, and Boogman originally said, we're discussing having a "null vote" that shows you the rep in exchange for removing your ability to vote on the node.

      but I don't think we should get them before we have voted on the node, or decided that we're not going to vote on it...

      The first part of this statement echoes what I have said. When I decide not to vote on a node I don't want to have to vote that I don't want to vote on the node :) I simply think knowing what people are seeing as 'better' posts could be useful for people using the site to learn. Seeing the actual number is not needed to accomplish this. And, seeing a rep count to decide if you will vote on it isn't good voting practice. Why vote because of how others do? Vote on posts based on you're own opinion of that post.

      Have you actually been reading my posts?!? I have not, and have never, been arguing that the rep should be constantly shown. All of your arguments have been against that. I have been arguing that the reputation carries some information (i.e. what the other PerlMonks think of the post), and that that information should be conditionally (i.e. sacrifice your vote) available. You've proposed star-schemes and other things that counter your initial argument (the rep shouldn't be known before voting), while ignoring the fact that the rep, as a plain simple number, can have some value. Showing the number would also enable users to pick up on the flaws of the system (e.g. vote inflation over time, etc).

      I don't want to have to vote that I don't want to vote on the node :)

      And we're just saying that the non-vote would be if you want to see the rep, not that every non-vote requires a actual vote.

        As I have said more than once in this thread, and Boogman originally said, we're discussing having a "null vote" that shows you the rep in exchange for removing your ability to vote on the node.

        Do you really want to know the rep of nodes this badly? I guess I simply don't understand why. And, how does this help the casual user use and learn from the site?

        Have you actually been reading my posts?!?

        Amazingly, yes. Maybe I misunderstood some of your issues, or you didn't clearly state them.

        You've proposed star-schemes and other things that counter your initial argument

        Not at all, the star system would help people decide which posts have been 'deemed' most useful without showing actual vote counts. You can't see the difference (rhetorical)?

        Showing the number would also enable users to pick up on the flaws of the system (e.g. vote inflation over time, etc).

        I don't care about the flaws, I don't care about the rep of anyones posts, and I don't care about having more ways to vote. I care about usability and the best way for users to find what they are looking for and to find what is most helpful for them to learn. I think adding another way to nullify your vote on a node simply to see it's rep is silly. I haven't seen anyone clearly state what benefits it would have, especially for novices (who have no votes to waste on nullifying votes), or anyone in general. Seems like you just want to see reps without voting ++ or --.

        Cheers,
        KM

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