Re: Re: Testing: Fun for the family

[BUU]

You can always use Perl to make higher-level tests. I'm always writing little subroutines in test suites that capture a higher level testing concept.

Of course you can write higher level tests in perl. What I was trying to get at was writing higher level tests in a language thats a higher level then perl (such as english or some subset thereof).

Maybe it's not possible and maybe even if it was possible theres no real win. After thinking about it for a while it occurs to me that such a system would be very close to a programming-language-as-english, which doesn't exist now and despite several attempts doesn't appear to be coming any time soon.

[Abigail-II]

After thinking about it for a while it occurs to me that such a system would be very close to a programming-language-as-english, which doesn't exist now and despite several attempts doesn't appear to be coming any time soon.

And I don't believe it will ever come. The problem with every day English is that it isn't precise enough. Look for instance at math/physics in the 17th century. Why did it got such a boost at that time? Because then they moved away from formulating problems and solutions in natural languages (Latin, English, German, French) and started using math symbols.

It's the same with programming (and hence testing), you need to be accurate in what you describe. Hence, programming languages.

Abigail

[adrianh]

What I was trying to get at was writing higher level tests in a language thats a higher level then perl (such as english or some subset thereof).

Sorry. Taking a firm grasp of the wrong end of the stick as usual!

As you correctly point out what this boils down to is just-another-programming-language :-)

You might be interested in taking a look at FIT - a slightly different approach to testing, especially at the higher acceptance test levels .