Re: Sometimes Perl is awesome: Duck Duck Go edition

[Anonymous Monk]

DuckDuckGo even supports https and an html interface, though I am at a loss as to why perlmonks choses to link to http versions instead of https

but ddg seems to have issues with exact duplicates, esp to perlmonks (google is marginally better in eliminating exact duplicates)

FWIW, I lament what search engines have become, almost useless, if they're not limiting results to 10 per page, if they're not auto correcting your queries, they limiting the total result and lying about it

[educated_foo]

That was my "choice," not Perlmonks', and it wasn't deliberate. My feeling is that if someone is tracking you closely enough to sniff unencrypted packets, encryption won't stop them. Google's results are still better, but they come at a significant price. I have found DDG good enough for most queries. It falls down on more obscure stuff -- it has a smaller index -- but I always try it first before I resort to Scroogle and Google.

[tye]

I switched to DuckDuckGo primarily because google's results were becoming more frequently more frustrating and very often completely useless. The fact that DuckDuckGo has sane privacy features was "just" a huge added 'plus'.

Over a decade ago I realized that the single most important feature of a search engine is: Show results that match all of the search terms before showing any that only match some of them. The number two feature for me is to make it obvious where the line between "matches all" and "matches some" falls in the presented results.

Google spent a good decade following this maxim by virtue of only showing results that matched all search terms. Over that time, I've griped a lot about places that make this "classic rookie mistake" in regard to searching. CPAN is a great example of a place that does a truly horrid job when given more than one search term.

But several months ago, google decided to start silently throwing in results that only matched some of your search terms. This was not just "the last straw" for me atop the growing pile of steps google kept taking to pay less and less attention to what I actually asked them to search for. It was also a fundamental mistake that, as always, turned google into a frequently useless search service.

Yes, sometimes my DuckDuckGo search finds nothing and I fall back to another service. But for most other cases, DuckDuckGo gives better and often much better results than google. By searching DuckDuckGo first, I get both of my top features in a search engine. The obvious "line" is when I resort to google's much more numerous and much less selective list of results.

I thought PM linked to the https+html version but it is indeed currently linking to the http+html version. https+html seems a better choice to me as well.

[Anonymous Monk]

I thought PM linked to the https+html version but it is indeed currently linking to the http+html version. https+html seems a better choice to me as well.

FWIW, on that front, if using ddg/https, it links results to https results where available (like wikipedia ), but if you try to post with that url, you'll get permission denied -- seems to me there shouldn't be much difference between allowing http and https links to wikipedia ( and other allowed links )

[PrakashK]

I have found DDG good enough for most queries. It falls down on more obscure stuff -- it has a smaller index -- but I always try it first before I resort to Scroogle and Google.

DDG's !bang syntax allows to have your cake and eat it too.

If I find DDG's results inadequate, and want to continue the search with Google, I just prepend !g to my search terms. DDG will get me Google's results, with all the no-tracking goodness.

[tye]

DDG will get me Google's results, with all the no-tracking goodness.

DDG just redirects you to Google where Google is free to, and certainly does, track you in any ways they see fit.