Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl

HelenCr has asked for the wisdom of the Perl Monks concerning the following question:

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Re: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by runrig (Abbot) on May 21, 2012 at 00:33 UTC
IIRC, Strawberry Perl comes with dmake.	[reply]
Re: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by tobyink (Canon) on May 20, 2012 at 23:37 UTC
The problem seems to be around here. For some reason, `$to` is not being defined. I'd edit that file, insert some kind of stacktrace/dump into the loop, and see what's going on. Presumably a problem somewhere further up the stack. That said, why do you need 1.25? Carp 1.20 should come pre-installed with Perl 5.14.2, and there doesn't seem to be any killer features added since. `perl -E'sub Monkey::do{say$_,for@_,do{($monkey=[caller(0)]->[3])=~s{::}{ }and$monkey}}"Monkey say"->Monkey::do'`	[reply] [d/l]
Re^2: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by HelenCr (Monk) on May 21, 2012 at 00:06 UTC
Carp doesn't seem to be included in 5.14. If I don't install Carp, I get, for example: `E:\Perl>perl "Conv.pl" Can't locate Carp/Always.pm in @INC (@INC contains: F:/Dwimperl/perl/s +ite/lib F:/Dwimperl/perl/vendor/lib F:/Dwimperl/perl/lib .) at Utilit +ies.pm line 33. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Utilities.pm line 33. Compilation failed in require at Conv.pl line 12. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Conv.pl line 12.` [download]	[reply] [d/l]
Re^3: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by tobyink (Canon) on May 21, 2012 at 00:17 UTC
Carp::Always is a different module to Carp. `perl -E'sub Monkey::do{say$_,for@_,do{($monkey=[caller(0)]->[3])=~s{::}{ }and$monkey}}"Monkey say"->Monkey::do'`	[reply]
Re^4: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by HelenCr (Monk) on May 21, 2012 at 15:28 UTC
Re^5: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by tobyink (Canon) on May 21, 2012 at 15:40 UTC
Re^2: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by Anonymous Monk on May 21, 2012 at 00:00 UTC
The problem seems to be around here. Nope, using the wrong make is the problem DWIMPerl (a StrawberryPerl) generally comes with dmake, `perl -V:make`	[reply] [d/l]
Re^3: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by HelenCr (Monk) on May 21, 2012 at 00:08 UTC
Can you please be a bit mode specific (verbose) how to use dmake? I am a (relative) newbie.	[reply]
Re^4: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by Anonymous Monk on May 21, 2012 at 00:28 UTC
Re: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by bojinlund (Monsignor) on May 21, 2012 at 09:53 UTC
I had a similar problem see Ideas on more foolproof Makefile.PL and generated Makefile. Realized after some days, when I saw `# dmake expands {{ to { and }} to }.` in the file perl/lib/ExtUtils/MM_Win32.pm that I should have used dmake!! Using wrong make program in Windows often results in difficult to interpret error messages. The time to find the real problem (using wrong makefile program) is often long. I have proposed (with no success) to make the makefile generated by ExtUtils::MakeMaker more foolprof by: Add information about usage in the header of the generated makefiles. Something like: `# Typical usage: # perl Makefile.PL # dmake # dmake test # dmake install` [download] If the makefile is used by the wrong make program generate an error message or other noise, so it is �impossible� to be foolish.	[reply] [d/l] [select]
Re^2: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by Anonymous Monk on May 22, 2012 at 07:44 UTC
I have proposed (with no success) Where did you propose?	[reply]
Re^3: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by bojinlund (Monsignor) on May 22, 2012 at 09:44 UTC
I have sent the following patch to the maintainer of ExtUtils-MakeMaker diff -u -r t:/makeMaker/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.62/lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker +.pm t:/makeMaker/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-modified/lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm --- t:/makeMaker/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.62/lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm 2012-04-01 09:02:31.450034700 +0200 +++ t:/makeMaker/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-modified/lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm 2012-04-01 09:03:05.508694300 +0200 @@ -620,17 +620,13 @@ $argv =~ s/^\[/(/; $argv =~ s/\]$/)/; + push @{$self->{RESULT}}, $self->makefile_head; push @{$self->{RESULT}}, <<END; -# This Makefile is for the $self->{NAME} extension to perl. -# -# It was generated automatically by MakeMaker version +# This file was generated automatically by MakeMaker version # $VERSION (Revision: $Revision) from the contents of # Makefile.PL. Don't edit this file, edit Makefile.PL instead. # -# ANY CHANGES MADE HERE WILL BE LOST! -# # MakeMaker ARGV: $argv -# END push @{$self->{RESULT}}, $self->_MakeMaker_Parameters_section(\%initial_att); diff -u -r t:/makeMaker/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.62/lib/ExtUtils/MM_Any.pm t:/makeMaker/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-modified/lib/ExtUtils/MM_Any.pm --- t:/makeMaker/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.62/lib/ExtUtils/MM_Any.pm 201 +2-04-01 09:05:27.800943800 +0200 +++ t:/makeMaker/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-modified/lib/ExtUtils/MM_Any.pm 2012-04-01 09:09:10.771335900 +0200 @@ -382,6 +382,38 @@ return $make; } +=head2 Preludes + +These are methods which produce things early in the Makefile. + + +=head3 makefile_head + +Generate the head of the Makefile. + +=cut + +sub makefile_head { + my $self = shift; + + my $target_make_program_index = $self->is_make_type('dmake')? 1 : + $self->is_make_type('nmake')? 2 : 0; + my $target_make_program = ('make', 'dmake', 'nmake')[$target_make_program_index]; + my $sudo_prefix = ('sudo ', '', '')[$target_make_program_index]; + + return <<END; +# This Makefile is for the $self->{NAME} extension to perl. +# +# DO NOT EDIT! ANY CHANGES MADE IN THIS FILE WILL BE LOST! +# +# Typical usage: +# perl Makefile.PL +# ${target_make_program} +# ${target_make_program} test +# ${sudo_prefix}${target_make_program} install +# +END +} =head2 Targets [download] I have also ask for guidance where to add the following: Add these definition to (GNU)make and dmake Makefiles. It should be added EARLY in the Makefile. "Direct" call from the constructor or part of a section or a new MakeMaker section or ... ? `# --- MakeMaker ???? section: ifeq "{xxx}" "xxx" MAKE_USED = dmake endif ifneq "$(.VARIABLES)" "" MAKE_USED = gnumake endif` [download] Add a snippet somewhere in Makefiles for nmake. It is a trap if other make programs are used `!IF 0 This makefile is intended to be used by nmake !ENDIF` [download] Should this be a "direct" call from the constructor, a part of a section or a new MakeMaker section or ... ? Add the target check_run_conditions to the top targets `# --- MakeMaker top_targets section: all :: check_run_conditions pure_all $(NOECHO) $(NOOP)` [download] Probably modification of the method all_target in MM_Any.pm and MM_Unix.pm Add the actions for target check_run_conditions The code will look something like: push @{$self->{RESULT}}, '', '# --- MakeMaker check_run_conditions section:', 'check_run_conditions ::'; if($target_make_program eq 'make'){ push @{$self->{RESULT}}, 'ifeq "$(MAKE_USED)" "dmake"', '# Note! The message is NOT sent to STDERR', ' $(NOECHO)echo ERROR: Using $(MAKE_USED) for a Makefile intended for ' .${target_make_program}, ' $(assign ERR OR = ERROR) #Generates an error message', 'endif'; } if($target_make_program eq 'dmake'){ push @{$self->{RESULT}}, 'ifeq "$(MAKE_USED)" "gnumake"', ' $(NOECHO)$(error ERROR: Using $(MAKE_USED) for a Makefile intended for ' .${target_make_program}.'.)', 'endif'; } �otherwise� { push @{$self->{RESULT}}, ' $(NOECHO) $(NOOP)'; } [download] Should this be a part of a section or a new MakeMaker section or ? For background see also Ideas on more foolproof Makefile.PL and generated Makefile.	[reply] [d/l] [select]
Re^2: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by HelenCr (Monk) on May 21, 2012 at 15:32 UTC
Thank you for the good and detailed answer Helen	[reply]
Re: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by stevieb (Canon) on May 20, 2012 at 23:26 UTC
I don't have a solution or a fix to your problem, but I just want to say that you've done a wonderful job writing this post... right down to mentioning the cross-posting. Cheers, Steve ps. This post is meant as a compliment and acknowledgement only, so please don't upvote it.	[reply]
Re^2: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by Anonymous Monk on May 20, 2012 at 23:49 UTC
wonderful job writing this post... right down to mentioning the cross-posting. Without a link, a mention isn't very useful, its work ( go find the link)	[reply]
Re^3: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by stevieb (Canon) on May 20, 2012 at 23:57 UTC
Here you go: SO post. Can you not recognize that the OP at least made an attempt to inform the wider community, or are you the type of Anon poster who will find problems in everything? Update: If you're so inclined, why not remind us where the documentation is that states that cross-posts should be referenced with a link to the external post. That would actually be helpful.	[reply]
Re^4: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by Anonymous Monk on May 21, 2012 at 00:26 UTC
Re^5: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by stevieb (Canon) on May 21, 2012 at 01:00 UTC
Re: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by Anonymous Monk on May 20, 2012 at 23:25 UTC
And who said to use nmake?	[reply]
Re^2: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by HelenCr (Monk) on May 20, 2012 at 23:52 UTC
On Windows, you use nmake	[reply]
Re^3: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by Anonymous Monk on May 20, 2012 at 23:58 UTC
On Windows, you use nmake I'm on windows, I don't use nmake	[reply]
Re^4: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by stevieb (Canon) on May 21, 2012 at 00:08 UTC
Re^5: Problem installing Carp-1.25 under DWIM Perl by Anonymous Monk on May 21, 2012 at 00:27 UTC


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