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I will read the articles. And I may well deserve some heat, if not actual flaming for this node. OTOH, I stand by my comment. Why the hell would ANYONE be suprised that hackers have a thing or two to say about designing programming languages? Why would they be suprised that hackers might come up with some fine ideas? And frankly I only feel more vidicated by the comment by my re-reading of the article. To me it seems that a good chunk of his article is taken up with explaining away why those in academia is falling behind. For instance this

It's not true that those who can't do, teach (some of the best hackers I know are professors), but it is true that there are a lot of things that those who teach can't do. Research imposes constraining caste restrictions. In any academic field there are topics that are ok to work on and others that aren't. Unfortunately the distinction between acceptable and forbidden topics is usually based on how intellectual the work sounds when described in research papers, rather than how important it is for getting good results. The extreme case is probably literature; people studying literature rarely say anything that would be of the slightest use to those producing it.

seems to be me to be an attempt to explain why those poor academics are getting outclassed by a bunch of ragtags coding in their basements for glory and not money. Its all because of those horrible 'caste restrictions' and that its more important to write an intellectual paper than it is to write a useful one.

So If Graham can spend a good chunk of that article explaining why Academia is falling behind The Real World, then I dont feel bad for pointing out the same, and for being less forgiving of it than he is.

realize that his claim to hackerdom is several orders of magnitude better than yours

Yes, no doubt. And of course Newton's claim to be a great physicist is several orders of magnitude greater than just about everybody that followed him. Doesn't change the fact that he spent the latter part of his life talking absolute rubbish most of the time. Nor did it mean that those that followed him werent entitled to criticize what he said.

Im not saying that Graham is doing that (totally talking rubbish), but his past laurels are as irrelevent to the discussion at hand as are your or my own programming skills.

Oh and do you really think that Ill end up reevaluating some of those languages? Just in case you missed it Ill put up the caveat I included originally. Bolding added however.

but writing business type apps in a reasonable timeframe for a reasonable budget doesn't seem to be one of them.

Anyway, heres to posting before you think it through fully, and the results that can occur.... *grin*

Cheers,


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demerphq

<Elian> And I do take a kind of perverse pleasure in having an OO assembly language...

In reply to Re: Re: Re: "There are some stunningly novel ideas in Perl" -- Paul Graham by demerphq
in thread "There are some stunningly novel ideas in Perl" -- Paul Graham by grinder

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