Question about Perl refs and basic types

cheekuperl has asked for the wisdom of the Perl Monks concerning the following question:

I was wondering about the possible return values of the ref function until I came across the list in ref. I also verified that the 11 return values are printed using the following code.

format  =
.
sub fun
{
    print "\nThis is fun";
}
$packRef={};
bless $packRef,"NONSENSE";

$scalarRef=\$_; #1
$arrRef=\@ARGV;  #2
$hashRef=\%ENV;    #3
$codeRef=\&fun;  #4
$refRef=\$scalarRef;  #5
$globRef=\*STDIN; #6
$lvalueRef=\ substr ("learning perl",0,4); #7
$regexpRef= qr/something/;   #8

$formatRef= *STDOUT{FORMAT};#9
$ioRef= *STDOUT{IO};     #10

$vstringRef= \v5.10.10;  #11

print "\n1. scalarref is ". ref($scalarRef);
print "\n2. arrRef is ". ref($arrRef);
print "\n3. hashRef is ". ref($hashRef);
print "\n4. codeRef is ". ref($codeRef);
print "\n5. refRef is ". ref($refRef);
print "\n6. globRef is ". ref($globRef);
print "\n7. lvalueRef is ". ref($lvalueRef);
print "\n8. regexpRef is ". ref($regexpRef);

print "\n9. formatRef is ". ref($formatRef);
print "\n10. ioRef is ". ref($ioRef);

print "\n11. vstringRef is ". ref($vstringRef); #prints SCALAR

print "\n12. packRef is ". ref($packRef);
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However, I could not get the vstringRef to print VSTRING. Any clues why #11 above shows SCALAR?

Secondly, I have always come across the statement
Perl has three basic types : scalars, arrays, hashes
However, I have not found a definitive for this in perldocs (I was trying to find a list like there was one for 11 possible return types of ref function).
Could anyone elaborate why the return values of ref can't be called as data types in Perl?

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Re: Question about Perl refs and basic types by tobyink (Canon) on Jul 18, 2012 at 15:29 UTC
This works for me: `$ perl -E'say ref do { \(my $o = v1.2) }' VSTRING` [download] `perl -E'sub Monkey::do{say$_,for@_,do{($monkey=[caller(0)]->[3])=~s{::}{ }and$monkey}}"Monkey say"->Monkey::do'`	[reply] [d/l]
Re: Question about Perl refs and basic types by RedElk (Hermit) on Jul 18, 2012 at 18:20 UTC
Not sure about the `vstringRef` issue, but I think this could be the perldocs section you want (first paragraph).	[reply] [d/l]
Re^2: Question about Perl refs and basic types by cheekuperl (Monk) on Jul 18, 2012 at 21:24 UTC
Thanks a lot! All ye, repeat after me : Perl has only three data types - no more, no less :) :)	[reply]
Re: Question about Perl refs and basic types by Anonymous Monk on Jul 19, 2012 at 00:35 UTC
However, I could not get the vstringRef to print VSTRING. Any clues why #11 above shows SCALAR? Your version of perl is too old -- reading perldocs is great, but match them to your version of perl	[reply]
Re^2: Question about Perl refs and basic types by cheekuperl (Monk) on Jul 19, 2012 at 03:04 UTC
You are spot on! I did `printf "version is v%vd\n", $^V; # Perl's version` [download] and got v5.8.9. Then I checked the perldoc ref for 5.8.9 and VSTRING is not present.	[reply] [d/l]
Re: Question about Perl refs and basic types by sundialsvc4 (Abbot) on Jul 18, 2012 at 15:24 UTC
Well, because a reference can “refer to” more things than just “data.” References refer to things, if you will: to hashes, to blocks of code, to regular expressions, and so on. Technically, if you want to get to the `perlguts` of the matter, within the interpreter there are various kinds of memory-blocks and each of these has (among other things) a reference-count. A “reference,” then, is one of those kinds of memory-blocks, whose purpose is to act as an indirect reference to something else. Each memory block has a type-indicator which says what kind of block it is, and that’s basically what drives the output of `ref()`. Why does it say SCALAR? Dunno. But, 11 out of 12 ain’t bad ...
Re^2: Question about Perl refs and basic types by cheekuperl (Monk) on Jul 18, 2012 at 15:41 UTC
That is fine. But I wish to see some sort of "proof" in perldocs that says there are only three types-no more no less. :)	[reply]
Re^3: Question about Perl refs and basic types by Anonymous Monk on Jul 19, 2012 at 00:36 UTC
That is fine. But I wish to see some sort of "proof" in perldocs that says there are only three types-no more no less. :) The proof is in the pudding :) UTSL	[reply]


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