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Re^2: Do you smoke tobacco?

by arden (Curate)
on Sep 01, 2004 at 08:32 UTC ( #387441=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


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I wish I lived (and grew up) where you do. I'm allergic to tobacco and the response I get when I ask people not to smoke around me is usually along the lines of, "It's my freedom to smoke, it doesn't hurt you, you're just whining." Of course, even though the official policy of the U.S. military is against tobacco use, the majority of soldiers and sailors still smoke.

I once took the cigarette out of the guy's hands and broke it open, rubbing the tobacco on the backside of my forearm. As a rash quickly spread he started to apologize. Of course, the hospital visit wasn't worth it, but I was young and stupid once. I'm no longer young. :)

- - arden.
update: I guess I didn't openly state that in the case where I took the guy's cigarette he was in a no-smoking area and my first action was to point that out to him and ask him to stop smoking. As for the suggestions that he should have punched me, I'm a big, fast, and well-trained guy; go ahead and try!


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Re^3: Do you smoke tobacco?
by been42 (Curate) on Sep 01, 2004 at 14:04 UTC
    I'm not allergic to tobacco, but I have pretty bad asthma and so does my son. It's not usually a problem at work, but nearly everyone in my family smokes. I manage to avoid them for weeks at a time, and my visits there consist of little more than my wife talking to them while my son and I go play with toys in another room. It's great for bonding with my son, not so great for my relationship with the rest of them. On the other hand, spending my life in another room allowed me to spend all of my time at the computer, leading to a decent career.
Re^3: Do you smoke tobacco?
by csuhockey3 (Curate) on Sep 02, 2004 at 04:03 UTC
    It certainly is nice to have the smoking ban. I didn't realize how thick the smoke is in a restaurant/bar until I go to the next town over (without a smoking ban). I can't stand it anymore -- you really notice it much more once you have the luxury of being smoke free.
Re^3: Do you smoke tobacco?
by DrHyde (Prior) on Sep 02, 2004 at 08:38 UTC
    I wonder why he apologised for *your* stupid action. If it had been me and you'd ruined my cigar, I'd have punched your teeth down your throat.
      The way I read it at least, it was in a place where a non-smoking policy was in effect, and probably the author had previously asked someone not to smoke, and gotten the response "oh, you can't really be allergic to it."

      If that's true, then someone trying to hit him would probably be about on par with most of the responses I get when I point out to people that they're smoking in a non-smoking area. Apathy and aggression are by far the most common responses, which is why I usually just complain directly to whatever authority happens to be present and make them deal with the problem. Unfortunately that doesn't work either...I can remember going to the security guards to complain about people smoking in the airport outside of the designated smoking area. I found the guards patrolling with lit cigarettes.

        ...about on par with most of the responses I get when I point out to people that they're smoking in a non-smoking area.

        Standing in line at "It's a Small World" (I had the kids with me, honest!), I pointed out to the guy in front of us that you're not supposed to smoke in line. He started to get angry and replied "Where's it say that?!?". I pointed at the map/schedule he was holding and said "in there." He let out an "oh" and at least he wasn't angry after that.

        The way I read it at least, it was in a place where a non-smoking policy was in effect, and probably the author had previously asked someone not to smoke, and gotten the response "oh, you can't really be allergic to it."

        Then you didn't read the same post that I did. Nowhere did he say that this was in a non-smoking area, and nor did he say that he had politely asked them to stop (although I'll accept that he might have; however, if smoking is permitted in that place then if he doesn't like smoke he should go elsewhere, not stop everyone else from smoking perfectly properly). What he said he'd done was to take someone's property and destroy it (which I think you'll admit is quite rude), and had then used the broken ciggie to deliberately hurt himself.

        If I were to take your property, destroy it, and then hurt myself on the bits, would you apologise? No, you'd be angry at me for destroying your property, and you'd laugh at me for being so bloody stupid. What Arden did was very rude and very stupid. He even admits he was being stupid!

        I got another dose of the apathy tonight; at least it wasn't aggression.

        I was taking the last train home and a man got on. He was talking loudly and drinking a beer, so I put on my headphones so I could ignore him. A little while later I happened to glance up and noticed he was snorting coke off his house keys. Not that I really cared, but it demonstrated his mindset.

        Not too long after that I smelled smoke. It was no real suprise to me who was smoking. I pointed out that it was a non-smoking train, to which he replied that he knew. I then asked him to quit smoking but he didn't, so I had to go call for the train personnel to deal with him. Then I moved to another part of the train.

        Yet another nice evening out made less fun because of some jerk with no consideration for others... (Note that I don't think this describes all smokers, but I sure encounter a lot who are like that.)

      Hmm.. Dr Hyde!!
Re^3: Do you smoke tobacco?
by chime (Friar) on Sep 02, 2004 at 14:08 UTC
    Ireland where I live is the first coutry to have a smoking ban.
    ie. No smoking in an enclosed work place.
    This includes shop, pubs, restaurants, offices, all public transportion (even taxis).
    There are exceptions - long term residental homes, prisons etc.
    Norway has since taken it up

    There is approx 98% compliance with the ban
    It works because it not up to individuals to enforce the ban
    Those (ie pubs) who continually flaut the law are subject to large fines and possible prison sentances.
    Already there is a drop in tobacco smoking and alot of Irish have given up.

    There is a major difference in going out without having to smell like an ashtray coming home.
    And alot of pubs etc have smoking shelters or beer gardens to accomodate the hard liners.

      Australia has a similar ban. I've been very thankful for it, except when all pubs go smoke free. When I go Drinking, I want the full experience of getting sloshed in a seedy, smokey dive.

      Pubs in Australia have a choice of smoking/smokefree. I do feel sorry for the poor smokers, harried from their favourite sunless den of iniquity by crusaders who don't seem to realise the irony of preventing smoking in pubs for the patrons health

      OTOH I also believe the patrons should be allowed to whip out their bongs in a pub, so I guess I'd count as being a little out there.

      I love the smoke free restaurants though. Definately a improvement in quality of life.

      ___________________
      Jeremy
      I didn't believe in evil until I dated it.

Re^3: Do you smoke tobacco?
by chicks (Scribe) on Sep 18, 2004 at 10:07 UTC
    I'm sorry you've faced such stupidity and inconsideration. I've support anti-smoking efforts for years and there are a growing number of folks even in a die-hard tobacco state like my own Virginia that believe breathing is a right and smoking is a choice. Sadly smoking is also a very tough addiction and that deserves some consideration too, but most folks capable of consideration seem to recognize that breathing is a much more important right to protect than smoking.

    I was in California when the smoking ban went into place. I know a number of folks with sensitive allergies and they were able to go into pool halls comfortably for the first time in years. At least in my unscientific survey business didn't seem to have slowed down either, so everybody wins including the wait staff having a lower chance of cancer and no ashen mess to clean up at the end of the shift. :)

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