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Re: Re: Run your own perlmonks!by demerphq (Chancellor) |
on Sep 29, 2003 at 13:17 UTC ( [id://294945]=note: print w/replies, xml ) | Need Help?? |
Patches welcome. Patching Everything wont help PM. And I think the motivation of PM'ers who want to participate is to change PM, not the latest release of Everything, which by all indications PM will never use. It seems pretty arrogant and selfish of you to tell volunteers what they should and shouldn't do, especially since those volunteers have been keeping this site running for years. Im perturbed by this comment. Actually what theorbtwo is saying is that the volunteers should open up to more volunteers contributing. This means that by having the older hands do a different kind of work (essentially management and oversite of a busy pile of pmdevers) the sum total of work being done grows drammatically. Let me put it this way, if Linus or Larry insisted that every line of code in Linux and Perl was written by them in their style using the solutions they wanted to see implemented then neither would be the raring success it is. The success of both is a credit to these gentlemens maturity. They simply sit back and throw the occassional veto in. They stay at the high level of oversight and planning. They tend not to grind axes with their community. And if they dont have a personal solution that is better than a reasonable proposal they sure dont ignore or block the reasonable proposal. From what I can see pumpkings are specifically chosen for their maturity. The fact is that there are only a mere handful of patches out of several hundred that have been written by pmdev that have been applied. Just about all that have been applied have been written by on of the gods. So this says that the gods really are pmdev and that they aren't actually pumpkings in any sense of the word. Which leaves me to wonder what the point is. And before you speak about quality ask yourself, of the many patches posted by pmdevers that have been ignored or not applied can it really be true they _all_ suck? Does it make sense that _none_ of them have been applied because there is a better solution coming down the pike? A pressing example of this is your signature patch. It was poorly thought out. I have posted patches to it which correct its flaws and to make it consistent for root nodes and for replies. You haven't applied it. Why? Personally my guess is that you are insulted by this. Given what I see of your comments about the audience here you probably look down at me and find it hard to accept that I could possibly fix or improve what you have made. Yet the fact remains that I have. If our situations were reversed very soon after I saw the audience response (not positive, somewhat irritated) I would have applied the patches provided to me that improved the behaviour. And then thanked you for cleaning up my mess. The core issue here to me is that the gods need to either expand their group with conservative but interested individuals for handling minor patches. (A responsible god would not apply a patch they did not understand.) Or they need to start spending more time doing the same, or they need to tell the pmdev group that basically its unlikely that a patch will be accepted or applied so dont waste your time, or maybe just comission specific patches from the pmdev team so that people wont waste their time. Whatever happens I think the frustration theorbtwo has expressed is a genuine positive comment about the monastery. There are committed interested individuals who wish to contribute as only a hacker can to something they love. Denigrating them for wanting to do so is beneath the character of the monastery In my opinion. In my experience, getting people to do work is more work than doing the work yourself around 90% of the time. Then you obviously dont know how to delegate. The only way I can see this being true in your life is if you like to micromanage people doing work for you. Its obviously not generally true otherwise organizations and businesses would not be able to function, having a situation like that that would just mean that financial collapse is on the way. I don't expect more than two new coders to show up and write anything of merit if the codebase were opened completely. Think about it chromatic. This comment is pure elitist nonsense.
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demerphq First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
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